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To: daniel1212; Natural Law; Cronos

I’m not impressed with your post,it’s just more half truths and spin to me.

Again, Catholicism teaches Christ speaks through Ecumenical Councils or the ordinary teaching “always given in every place”. Thus, the Spirit of God can be found in the “sense of the faithful” that identifies God’s Word when taught. Thus, when the Catholic Church reads deutercanical books throughout history in Liturgy and mentions them in Ecumenical Councils they are believed to be Inspired Scripture.

There was so much error during the period of Trent because of protestant heresies that the Church needed to make concrete statements on what was always believed in order to protect the flock. This has happens in this fashion all throughout History.

So, the argument you’re trying to make is no different than those who try to deny the Divinity of Christ by saying it took until the Council of Nicea in 325 to declare the Divinity of Christ

Of course this is not true because we know by the writings of the Church Fathers,Liturgy,etc.that the catholic Church always believed in the Divinity of Christ and the Church needed to protect the flock from the growing Arian heresy in the same fashion that the Church used the Council of Trent against protestant heresies.

“”And it remains that the Prot canon has ancient support.””

No it does not. Good luck proving that with the scraps and pieces of what we think might be something original.

Time to move on to something else

I wish you blessings in your search for truth!


460 posted on 12/05/2012 5:24:55 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi

All you can do and have done is to try to move the goal posts by focusing on the general acceptance of the canon before Trent affirmed it, but which does not make it infallible and thus indisputable.

And your attempt to equate it to Nicea and the doctrine of the Trinity is invalid because officially esteemed scholars like Luther’s adversary Cardinal Cajetan (who following Jerome, expressed doubts concerning the canonicity of Hebrews, James, 2 and 3 John, and Jude, stating of the latter three, “They are of less authority than those which are certainly Holy Scripture”), were not seen or treated like Arian heretics by Rome.

Sippo’s idea of an infallible decree makes a mockery of the binding force of them, or rebels out of such esteemed scholars. But the fact is that the first infallible indisputable decree Trent’s occurred over Luther’s dead body, and he did not arbitrarily removed the Deuterocanonical books from Scripture.

Those are the facts, and it is no wonder you want no more reminder of them. I posted links which you refused to look at, and then wanted no more than a cursory analysis from me of your tome from Sippo, so indeed it is “Time to move on to something else.”

May God in His grace peradventure give you and like souls repentance to the acknowledging of the truth. (2 Timothy 2:25) AS He has been gracious to me.


464 posted on 12/05/2012 7:55:54 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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