You: I have personally never turned away a missionary from my door, I am always polite and hospitable, Water, juice, etc. I listen to the message and do not bible bash with the unsuspecting innocents who give me plenty of openings.
Well, I was incomplete in my comment, so allow me to explain what I meant by Lds not according/affording us the "same privilege" that their own missionaries are to have.
There's a 5-volume work from your 10th "prophet," Joseph Fielding Smith...called Answers to Gospel Questions...published by the Lds-church owned Deseret Book Company. I own this series -- and have read all 5 small books.
In that series work, JF Smith twice outlined the key mandates of an Lds missionary. In both volumes 1 and 4, Joseph Fielding Smith cited the same D&C passage: 88:81-82:
"Behold, I sent you out to testify and
WARN the people, and it becometh every man who hath been
WARNED to WARN his neighbor.
Therefore, they are left without excuse, and their sins are upon their own heads.
Joseph Fielding Smith then, after citing these verses in volumes 1 and 4, mentioned the following:
"This commission to go forth which was given in the beginning is still in force and binding on every missionary who goes forth today to declare the gospel of salvation in the world." (Answers to Gospel Questions, vol. I, p. 134, 1957/1979)
And:
"...there are certain commandments missionaries should remember...they are sent not only to preach and bear testimony and bring people to repentance...but to WARN ALL men..." (Vol. 4, p. 55 1963/1979)
Do you know what I took away from reading Joseph Fielding Smith here, DU? What I took away is that -- to partially reference the free exchange of religious ideas with Buddhists and that Baptist pastor that you had -- I am glad we live in a country where your Lds missionaries are free to warn others as they see fit.
Yet...has it dawned on you yet, that there was a second sentence to this comment that mutually applies?
Would you actually agree D&C 88:81-82...and with Joseph Fielding Smith's application...that the responsibility goes beyond testifying??? Would you "amen" me if I said I'm glad to be a member of my church and worship as I see fit (one of your articles of faith)...and that this also includes the freedom to engage in an exchange of mutual warning with my neighbors, the Mormons???
You wouldn't begrudge me the same freedom you extend to your Lds missionaries, would you DU? Joseph Fielding Smith said the very essence -- the commission and commandments -- of an Lds missionary is to warn all men. Right?
I take away from your answers that you hate Mormons and consider us unworthy to bear the name of Jesus. Fine, I thought Jesus loved everyone and that you claim to be his follower... I don't feel loved by you. [DU]
DU, why do you judge my inner soul motivation as "hatred?" Doesn't God say that man looks at the outward nature of a fellow man, but only God knows the inner man? (see 1 Samuel 16:7)
Have I negatively judged the inner motivations of all those Lds missionaries I've talked to over the years? (No) They are there to testify and to warn, right?
The "testify" is the positive portion; the warning is the negative aspect.
You've got a bit of gall, DU, to accord Lds missionaries the right to speak negatively -- to warn -- and yet cast all sorts of judgmentalism about me when I do the same in reverse.
I respectfully request an apology for your judging my inner man and my motivations. You don't know me that well.
And if you want people to respect the motivations of Lds missionaries, and respect their freedom to "warn" as they not only see fit but as they interpret your sacred "scriptures," then please exchange the same common courtesy and honor/respect my right to spiritually warn as I am led by the power of the Holy Spirit.
JFTR, your post to me was long, I’ll be kind to the readers and not include it in it’s entirety in my response.
C “Well, I was incomplete in my comment, so allow me to explain what I meant by Lds not according/affording us the “same privilege” that their own missionaries are to have.”
By all means, explain how we are unfair to you.
C “There’s a 5-volume work from your 10th “prophet,” Joseph Fielding Smith...called Answers to Gospel Questions...published by the Lds-church owned Deseret Book Company. I own this series — and have read all 5 small books.”
How nice.
You then go off on how we believe we are to warn our neighbors, and our commission to preach is binding...then you cut out some excerpts which honestly escape me as to why you chose them, yes we are to warn all people...
C “Do you know what I took away from reading Joseph Fielding Smith here, DU?”
I believe that mind reading is specifically forbidden on the religion forum... besides my tin foil hat stops others from reading my mind :-)
C “What I took away is that — to partially reference the free exchange of religious ideas with Buddhists and that Baptist pastor that you had — I am glad we live in a country where your Lds missionaries are free to warn others as they see fit.”
Yeah, about that, Taiwan was under marshal law when I was there, and I had to abide by there laws...
C “Yet...has it dawned on you yet, that there was a second sentence to this comment that mutually applies?”
Brevity is the soul of wit...
C “Would you actually agree D&C 88:81-82...and with Joseph Fielding Smith’s application...that the responsibility goes beyond testifying??? Would you “amen” me if I said I’m glad to be a member of my church and worship as I see fit (one of your articles of faith)...and that this also includes the freedom to engage in an exchange of mutual warning with my neighbors, the Mormons???”
Sure, why not, I have been known to Amen loudly when moved by the spirit to do so.
C “You wouldn’t begrudge me the same freedom you extend to your Lds missionaries, would you DU? Joseph Fielding Smith said the very essence — the commission and commandments — of an Lds missionary is to warn all men. Right?”
You know, it’s hard to teach a man you won’t let get a word in edge wise, they either go to sleep, or leave. I prefer discussions to sermons, so yep, they get to talk to me too, it’s part of communication.
C “So I ask you point blank, DU: Why is it when Lds missionaries “warn” Christians, that gets an “amen!” by Mormons? But when the reverse occurs, Mormons are quick to the draw to pull out their victim card and screetch, “Anti-Mormon! Anti-Mormon!”
You know, I only damned one person on my mission (Must have been a failure!) and I was as surprised as she was, the spirit took over, and I told her things I had no right to know and told her this was her last chance to hear the gospel. (My companion looked at me like I was nuts! I kind of felt I was too), she said, how could you know that, and my husband wont let me join.
You know, I don’t go to threads on Caholocisem, and post stuff about the Nicean Creed, or Sale of indulgences, it’s just rude. I’d be an anti Catholic if I did.
I don’t go to Baptists and talk about clan relationships or how Fred Phelps claims to be a baptist, it’s rude, and I’d be an anti Baptist.
When someone on FR says Hey Mitt’s got nice hair, and the response is: did you know that Mormons sacrifice their own children on the alters of their temples then use black magic to resurrect them so no one will know?
IMHO, The person who can’t let anything good be said of a religion without tearing it down is an “anti”.
Generally speaking, a quick review of someone’s posting history will tell you if they are an anti or not.
C “When Lds missionaries warn us as Christians, is the usual Christian response to those specific comments, “Oh, you’re anti-Christian, eh?”
LOL!
D “I take away from your answers that you hate Mormons and consider us unworthy to bear the name of Jesus. Fine, I thought Jesus loved everyone and that you claim to be his follower... I don’t feel loved by you.”
C “DU, why do you judge my inner soul motivation as “hatred?” Doesn’t God say that man looks at the outward nature of a fellow man, but only God knows the inner man? (see 1 Samuel 16:7)”
I don’t judge your soul, just your answers. I am also qualified to tell you how I feel.
C “Have I negatively judged the inner motivations of all those Lds missionaries I’ve talked to over the years? (No) They are there to testify and to warn, right?”
I’d hope so.
C “The “testify” is the positive portion; the warning is the negative aspect.”
I don’t see warning as necessarily negative. “Watch your step”, “Be careful”, “Drive safe” Vs. your Damned!!!!
C “You’ve got a bit of gall, DU, to accord Lds missionaries the right to speak negatively — to warn — and yet cast all sorts of judgmentalism about me when I do the same in reverse.”
I looked at your posting history and judged your postings accordingly. Could I be wrong, yeah, but if your truly a Christian then you’ll forgive me, if you’re not you won’t forgive me no matter what I do.
C “I respectfully request an apology for your judging my inner man and my motivations. You don’t know me that well.”
Colofornian, you’ve been a member since 2001, and I since 2003 (I could swear I was here during the Clinton years...), I lurked since the 90’s and I’m afraid I do know you better than you think.
You want an apology, fine: If I misjudged you in any way, I apologize for that is not my intent.
C “And if you want people to respect the motivations of Lds missionaries, and respect their freedom to “warn” as they not only see fit but as they interpret your sacred “scriptures,” then please exchange the same common courtesy and honor/respect my right to spiritually warn as I am led by the power of the Holy Spirit.”
Fine, warn away, but don’t tell me what I believe, don’t tell me I’m not a Christian, and don’t quote me stuff out of context and we’ll get along just fine.
Delph