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1 posted on 11/27/2012 3:44:25 PM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 11/27/2012 3:45:59 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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The conclusion hit the nail right on the head.


3 posted on 11/27/2012 3:51:02 PM PST by johnd201 (johnd201)
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Because the stats are based on self-identification and half of those self-identifying as Catholics also think that one can be Catholic without being Catholic.

The 50% who did not vote for Zero are Catholic. The others are bundles of contradiction who will scatter like sheep when the wolf gets close.


4 posted on 11/27/2012 3:51:44 PM PST by Houghton M.
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My family left Germany prior to WWII. Those Jews that remained were increasingly anxious, but as our wealthy relations who hosted my aunt and uncle in the late 30’s thought, it would go just so far and no farther.

Catholics need to be aware that it can, indeed, go much farther than anyone thinks.

It just takes the need for a scapegoat to unite people and the right person to be their messiah.

I think they just elected the messiah.


5 posted on 11/27/2012 3:55:54 PM PST by OpusatFR
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The overwhelming majority (if not all) of them, are of the world. They have never been born-again! And sadly, much of the protestant ranks are in the same condition.


7 posted on 11/27/2012 4:05:40 PM PST by evangmlw
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"The larger matter, if it is larger, is the central government has succeeded in positioning itself as the chief dispenser, not only of jobs, health, and well-being, but also of what is moral and right. Government has established a claim and an agenda that would make all real moral, economic, and political understanding and activity dependent on itself. The country has radically changed its soul from one that insisted the main actors are individuals and their voluntary organizations to one that holds the ungrounded government responsible for all the major (and minor) issues. In this new capacity the government conceives itself as being subject to nothing—not to the Constitution, amendments, reason, or natural law. It will not be put quite this way, but that is the effect. This is what we elected. The Jewish talk-show host was correct. Catholics are the target, the locus of what the government sees as the cause of its own problems. This government will brook no opposition to its plans. Catholics, insofar as they are Catholics, will be more and more singled out as the causes of the failures of public policies. If we are surprised at this turn of events, it can only be because we did not really understand what was at stake in the recent election."

What a far cry from what America's Founders viewed as the role of government versus that of the "Supreme Judge of the world," or, "Divine Providence."

In the words of George Mason:

"The laws of nature are the laws of God, whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth. A legislature must not obstruct our obedience to Him, from whose punishment they cannot protect us. All human laws which contradict His laws we are in conscience bound to disobey."

9 posted on 11/27/2012 4:06:28 PM PST by loveliberty2
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My mother voted for Obama. A cradle Catholic, she learned in the sixties, that old white male bishops had no authority over matters sexual, despite their claims. She learned this from Cardinals like Bernadin and his claim of church hypocrisy and rebellious theologian priests.. She became a cafeteria Catholic and now when called to order by the bishops she does not heed the call. Once disobedient, it becomes the norm. Thus Catholics become the culture.


12 posted on 11/27/2012 4:22:17 PM PST by WriteOn (Truth)
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Because the Church today has about 50% that do not genuinely subscribe to even basic, core Church teachings (whether you source them Biblically or in “natural law”)...
The Jews have an even higher internal failure rate, but in both Peoples of God, and in Christian society generally, there are still many good people who understand — and who support — and who try to live in accordance with — these core teachings.

There is a great effort by the Holy Father (Pope) and most of the Bishops to achieve “internal evangelization” — to make genuine Christians out of the 50% who self-identify with, but do not live in accordance with, God/Bible/Church.

There is obviously a very great distance to go yet, before success can be claimed for this effort. Meanwhile, let us pray we, as a society, are granted another 4 years to repair all that’s being rent asunder.

ps: I’ve yet to find a core Biblical or Church value that is not based on Jewish teachings. That a Jew recognizes the assault on the Church — and speaks up for the Church — should come as no surprise, and many other Jewish rabbis or speakers do the same for the Church, regularly. We can all differ on specific theological doctrines, but the two Biblical Peoples of God share a common core value system, a common morality if you will. And any thinking Jew can certainly see the dangers of today’s government trying to dictate its own moral values (or amoral values) by force of law. Heck, anyone with the intelligence of a turnip can see the risk to us all in this.

Keep the faith,
fhc


15 posted on 11/27/2012 4:35:59 PM PST by faithhopecharity (--)
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Hard hitting and accurate.


19 posted on 11/27/2012 4:49:37 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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24 posted on 11/27/2012 5:12:11 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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That Jew is Steve Malzberg.


26 posted on 11/27/2012 5:41:28 PM PST by jimfree (In November 2016 my 12 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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bkmk


27 posted on 11/27/2012 5:57:58 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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“Where are the Catholics?”

Out buying ammo.


29 posted on 11/27/2012 6:05:34 PM PST by AbnSarge
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“Several other writers have argued that so long as these high-profile Catholics carry out anti-Catholic policies and remain in apparently good standing in the Church, many Catholics will conclude that, whatever the noise about these issues, it must be all right to be a Catholic and take positions contrary to what the bishops and Church seem to hold.”

I’m not sure how anyone can argue against this. Any sane first grade teacher knows you can’t teach without public discipline, but not most bishops. Think about this—they are actually bringing a case against the state yet haven’t yet used public discipline on those public Catholics that facilitated and continue to promote the other side in a public manner. It’s like managers that allow some of their players in the home uniform to bat for the visiting team in front of the home crowd. Just gives the impression that how the ball game turns out must not be too important to them.

Freegards


30 posted on 11/27/2012 6:13:04 PM PST by Ransomed
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I have very little sympathy for Catholics or most religions as a whole on this matter. Most have aligned themselves with the communists with the pro-queer, pro-abortion, anti-business, social justice, wealth redistribution, etc. Now that their ox is getting gored, they want everyone to enthusiastically jump in and save them. Maybe they need to get off their lazy a$$es and start preaching to their flocks what is really in the bible. If they don’t have enough gumption to call Pelosi, Reid, Obama, etc. for what they really are and what they actually stand for, then they’ll get what they asked for....sh!t on, discriminated against, and eventually persecuted just as bad or worse than what the Nazi’s did to the Jews.


39 posted on 11/27/2012 6:50:37 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (The law of unintended consequences is an unforgiving and vindictive b!tch!)
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