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To: Hostage

You are utterly incorrect. The Bible is very clear on the matter:

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/11-3.htm

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
http://bible.cc/1_timothy/2-14.htm

Eve’s own testimony confesses as much: And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

http://bible.cc/genesis/3-13.htm

Adam didn’t follow Satan, he followed God. God’s own testimony is clear on this matter as well:

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

http://bible.cc/genesis/3-17.htm

So Adam didn’t hearken unto Satan, but Eve. Why would he follow the counsel of his wife?

1. She’s God’s created Helpmeet, that is a companion worthy of Adam. http://bible.cc/genesis/2-18.htm

Did God err? No.

2. Adam recognized as much and stated it thusly:
And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
http://kingjbible.com/genesis/2-23.htm

This is the purpose of Eve and women in general. To become married, one flesh, and a man should cleave to his wife. It is God’s purpose.

Adam, in partaking of the fruit, didn’t follow Satan, but God. You’re mistaken or have been mislead. There is a lot of false doctrine out there, but you can read it for yourself, now, and understand the truth.


33 posted on 11/25/2012 4:17:37 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

I believe Hostage is correct in concluding that Adam was culpable. I would dare say Adam was more culpable than Eve, precisely because he was NOT deceived. He therefore knew the serpent was lying, and it was he who had the last best chance of avoiding rebellion against the command of God, and yet he disobeyed, knowing full well it would result in his condemnation before God.

Jesus confirms that knowing disobedience is a greater sin than misguided disobedience:

Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. [48] But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

And but for Satan’s inducement of Eve, Adam would not have sinned. Therefore Adam, in knowingly joining his wife’s rebellion against God, aligns himself knowingly with the ultimate purpose of Satan, to reject God’s authority over His own creation. This is the great disobedience that threw humanity into sin, and according to Paul it is Adam who killed us all:

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Notice he say “by one man,” that is, he looks to Adam as the conduit of sin and it’s curse of death to the rest of us. It is interesting to speculate what might have been if Adam had not followed Eve in her rebellion. Would God have condemned Eve and given Adam another of his ribs transformed? Who knows?

Nevertheless, rebellion it was, because though she was deceived, she also knew full well the command of God (she even misquotes it to Satan) and still chose to use Satan’s lie as a justification for her sin anyway.

But you argue that God would not give Adam a helper that would ever steer him wrong. But if that were true, then God is not at all justified in punishing Adam, which He clearly did, which would imply that God is unjust, which is impossible. God is righteous in all His judgments, and He condemns Adam justly. Adam sinned. He rebelled against God at the inducement of Satan, only not on the basis of a false promise, but knowingly, choosing companionship with his wife in sin over obedience to a clear, simple command of God.


48 posted on 11/25/2012 10:51:50 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: 1010RD; Hostage

1010RD, when I read your post, I came away with the perception you are saying Adam didn’t sin against God because he was following Eve’s counsel as commanded by God.

Is that what you are saying?

May God the Father lead us all to His truth, BVB


50 posted on 11/25/2012 11:26:51 AM PST by Bobsvainbabblings
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