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To: Secret Agent Man
...he was made perfect

Does not compute...

Since, if God created Satan, he didn't create him perfect, because, anything "perfect" would not be corruptible.

If Satan was God's creation, God did not create a perfect being.

Besides, like I wrote in another response to another poster, if God knows the past and present and future, God "knew" that Satan would become "imperfect" all along, therefore, God decided to create something that he (God) knew to be imperfect and evil.
68 posted on 11/19/2012 6:39:13 PM PST by adorno
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To: adorno

Adorno wrote...
“God “knew” that Satan would become “imperfect” all along, therefore, God decided to create something that he (God) knew to be imperfect and evil.”

PRIDE goes before the fall whether the fallen be angel or man.

It is Lucifer’s pride that compelled him to speak the 5 “I wills” in Isaiah 14:12-14 found in other replies here. It is his pride that keeps him in opposition to God and deceiving man.

Lucifer was not created imperfect or evil....he had the potential (as do we all) to become it. He chose.

God stands outside time and sees all things and all times as if they are happening now. This gives Him perfect knowledge outcomes.

To us, with our little ape brains the seems like predestination...that God created sin and picked winners and losers at the start.

He did not. He created life. Lucifer engineered his own fall not God. Adam, and in turn each of us, do/did so as well when we rebel against Him in arrogance and pride.

A farmer sows a field knowing full well that weeds will grow, but still he sows.....he wants the good crop and tolerates the bad to get it. So it is with God.


86 posted on 11/19/2012 7:29:03 PM PST by Lowell1775
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To: adorno

I’m going to give you a giant promotion:

You are God. Capable of creating anything. Would you create a bunch of preprogrammed robots and quickly bore as they operate predictably or would you give your creation instructions and a free will and let the decide their own fate, with rewards and punishment based on their chosen paths?

Basic
Instructions
Before
Leaving
Earth

Read it!
Happy Thanksgiving.


91 posted on 11/19/2012 7:39:47 PM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Romney did in 2012)
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To: adorno

He was made perfect. He also had free will. Perfect does not mean unable to do evil. That is a programmed robot that can only do what it is programmed to do. Morals and love and loyalty and choice and right and wrong would be meaningless terms.

If God wanted things that would love Him, want to be with Him, He could have made them be unable to say no, but you know and I know they’d have no choice but to - and you know that means they would not be real people making a genuine choice to voluntarily love God on their own. God knows that too, and it wouldn’t be real. Free will/choice inherently means a person can say no to God, which means free will is potentially why there is evil in the world. But it also has to be this way in order for people to exercise that ability to make a genuine yes or no decision about God. And that’s their decision, not God’s. If you deliberately crash your car it isn’t the fault of the auto manufacturer.


113 posted on 11/19/2012 9:12:52 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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