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To: allmendream
"Even a single-celled amoeba - with a genome 100 times larger than a human - is incredibly complex. No kidding. You reached into the grab bag of what you thought would be the lowly amoeba - and pointed out its complexity. WOW! No kidding!!! How about a bacteria? It is about a thousand times less complex than an amoeba. Amoeba/bacteria? All the same when you really don't know much about biology I suppose."

Ah, yes, I stand corrected by the celebrated biologist, Dr. Allmendream. "About a thousand times less", huh? :)

Sorry, but a bacteria is not a simple life. Darwinian dogma teaches that bacteria was one of the earliest ancestors of human life, therefore it MUST be simple. Not so.

BTW, why do you apparently feel you need to be mocking and condescending? You seem a bit upset.

" So a scientists has to do magic with the ‘breath of life’? Or would, as I proposed, creating a life form from raw unliving elements and natural processes be enough to shake your “god of the gaps” theological faith?"

I answered that question, which you already asked, in my last post. Maybe you should read it again.

" If the laws of the universe are sufficient to produce life, that speaks to the grandeur of the lawgiver."

Who is this "lawgiver?" What are his laws and where can I find them? Are you speaking of God? We already have His word, which is incompatible with evolution.

"Miraculous magic is so simple even a primitive child can understand it - yet such means seem to be, surprisingly enough, not in evidence."

Well, we're discussing God's power, not "magic." The evidence is all around you, and it's being laid in front of you. You can open your eyes any time. Or not...up to you, of course.

" It seems the Universe runs just fine according to natural physical laws and mechanisms - no miraculous magic required - no gaps in human knowledge that need miraculous intervention. Gaps in human knowledge require further study of physical means - not supposition of miraculous magic.

That is why science is of use and creationism is useless and an intellectual dead end. Because discovery of the laws the govern the universe are applicable - while supposing that miraculous magic is the answer leads nowhere and to nothing - and is of absolutely no use."

Yes, the grand human intellect.....it's the be-all and end-all, isn't it? Scientists regularly make discoveries that they contradict a year or ten years later. Put all of your faith in science and you're going to be screwed.

Interesting the way you keep repeating "miraculous magic" in a rather condescending manner (and I would say a defensive one, as well). Nothing I say is going to make you believe in God or His works, so we may have to agree to disagree, FRiend.

72 posted on 11/21/2012 8:23:28 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (The idiocracy has come home to roost. God help us.)
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To: CatherineofAragon
Why do you feel the need to suppose that anyone who disagrees with your dogma must be an atheist? You seem very upset.

And no, there is much evidence to suggest that bacteria are not the ancestors of more complex life forms, neither is it axiomatic that the descendant be more complex than the ancestor.

The virus, for just one example, is the most simple life form and it cannot exist without more complex life forms - thus it could not possibly be the ancestor of the more complex forms of life.

God is the lawgiver of the universe. Why? Do you know of another one?

The evidence is all around you - all you have to do is forget your ignorant supposition that you already know all you need to know and look at the evidence of the physical universe.

The fact that science adapts to evidence rather than clinging to a dogmatic primitive understanding is not a blow against science. The Bohr model of the atom may not be “correct”, and may someday be replaced by a more accurate and predictive model - but that doesn't mean the Bohr model of the atom was “wrong” - it was and is useful and predictive.

I do believe in God. Is it so hard for a god of the gaps theologist to escape the supposition that unless God created the universe through miracles that there must be no God or no need for God?

Right now stars are forming off in the universe through gravity and nuclear fusion. Are these stars not created by God? Is it not evident that gravity and nuclear fusion how God creates stars?

73 posted on 11/21/2012 9:03:01 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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