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To: allmendream
"A species of amoeba can have a genome over 100 times larger than a human being. Only someone ignorant of biology would consider it a form of “simple life”.

"Is your faith contingent upon scientists not being able to make simple life forms from raw elements and energy? So long as that bar has not been cleared you have faith, but when and if they ever do - your faith is shaken?"

If the accusation of ignorance is leveled at me, you might want to re-read my posts; I've stated there is no such thing as "simple" life.

Why would you think my faith would be shaken? If scientists managed to create life, it would be comparable to someone being washed up on a deserted island and finding a computer, figuring out how it works, taking it apart, and putting it back together, over years of study and work. But more importantly, it would prove that life indeed does require a creator, and not just building blocks coming together out of the primordial soup.

Now, let me see those same scientists take the dust of the earth, breathe into it, and create a fully-formed human being, and they'll have done something.

70 posted on 11/21/2012 7:15:09 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (The idiocracy has come home to roost. God help us.)
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To: CatherineofAragon
“There is no such thing as “simple life”; even a single-celled amoeba is incredibly complex.”

Even a single-celled amoeba - with a genome 100 times larger than a human - is incredibly complex. No kidding. You reached into the grab bag of what you thought would be the lowly amoeba - and pointed out its complexity. WOW! No kidding!!! How about a bacteria? It is about a thousand times less complex than an amoeba. Amoeba/bacteria? All the same when you really don't know much about biology I suppose.

So a scientists has to do magic with the ‘breath of life’? Or would, as I proposed, creating a life form from raw unliving elements and natural processes be enough to shake your “god of the gaps” theological faith?

If the laws of the universe are sufficient to produce life, that speaks to the grandeur of the lawgiver. Miraculous magic is so simple even a primitive child can understand it - yet such means seem to be, surprisingly enough, not in evidence. It seems the Universe runs just fine according to natural physical laws and mechanisms - no miraculous magic required - no gaps in human knowledge that need miraculous intervention. Gaps in human knowledge require further study of physical means - not supposition of miraculous magic.

That is why science is of use and creationism is useless and an intellectual dead end. Because discovery of the laws the govern the universe are applicable - while supposing that miraculous magic is the answer leads nowhere and to nothing - and is of absolutely no use.

71 posted on 11/21/2012 7:45:54 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: CatherineofAragon
Now, let me see those same scientists take the dust of the earth, breathe into it, and create a fully-formed human being, and they'll have done something.

No, No, NO! God says "Get your own dirt!" :P

112 posted on 11/23/2012 11:37:44 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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