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To: Vendome; Salvation

Vendome wrote about Mormons, that Mormons say: “In fact, all Christians are “Whores of Babylon”

Holy Moly! I have been a Mormon for 12 years, and admittedly that’s not a long time, but during that time I have never heard any such thing as you state!!

However, I have heard so-called Christians or “gracers” (as you call them) make statements about the Catholic Church being the “great whore of Babylon” spoken of in the Bible.

So, knock off the anti Mormon nonsense, please, and the anti Catholic nonsense, too.

Jesus suffered and died for Mormons and Catholics, too.


405 posted on 11/20/2012 4:21:24 PM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Saundra:
Really, I’ve no axe to grind with LDS. I do want to make educate others and they are free to make their own choice.

Nothing about LDS offends me, nothing.

I’m giving information that I have found interesting and others may attach whatever their emotions to it they wish.

Let’s face it, There is no LDS if all other religions and denominations are an aboniation as Joseph Smith describes us.

To me the accusation is “Whatever”.

Most of us aren’t offended by any other religion save the Moslems. I can’t see myself ever giving them any respect and I’ll leave it to you to figure it out. Any reason you think of will be part of the buffet of grievances I have against them.

I don’t Christians Gracers. I was called a gracer and while I laughed for it’s stupid implication I did research why it is said and still came to the conclusion “Whatever”.

As for the Catholics I have nothing against them as you imply or project. They are the first church and the word “Catholic” means “Universal” or taken as it should be “ inclusive to all in the body of Christ”.

And Yes, The Nazarene dies for Mormons, Catholics and even Buddhists.

I understand when Mormon’s find them themselves without or even wanting for information that insults them.

You have been exposed to something you never had knowledge of and it’s an affront. I get it.

However, I don’t make up the facts and when I find myself in error I repent of that of and apologize.

So, to honor that vein, here is a picture of Joseph Smith, standing upon a pedestal, in....wait for it.... Temple Square.

See my follow up post for proof and a better understanding of where I’m coming from.

Thank you in advance for your open mind.


409 posted on 11/20/2012 6:15:44 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Saundra Duffy; Salvation

The only reason they say "We are Christian" is an attempt to morph into something they are not and co-opt Christianity.

 

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world"
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60

"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p.

"Christians—those poor, miserable priests brother Brigham was speaking about—some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men. The poor devils, they could not get up here and preach an oral discourse, to save themselves from hell; they are preaching their fathers' sermons —preaching sermons that were written a hundred years before they were born. ...You may get a Methodist priest to pour water on you, or sprinkle it on you, and baptize you face foremost, or lay you down the other way, and whatever mode you please, and you will be damned with your priest.
- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 89

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast."
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent."
- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255

"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon."
- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p. 324

Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46

"I was answered that I must join none of them (Christian Churches), for they were all wrong...that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight" (Joseph Smith History 1:19).

"...orthodox Christian views of God are Pagan rather than Christian." (Mormon Doctrine of Deity by B.H. Roberts, p.116)

"...the God whom the 'Christians' worship is a being of their own creation..." (Apostle Charles W. Penrose, JD 23:243)

"The Christian world, so called, are heathens as to their knowledge of the salvation of God." (Brigham Young, JD 8:171)

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute best." (John Taylor, JD 13:225)

"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing...Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God." (John Taylor, JI) 13:225)

"Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.177)

"...brother Joseph B. Nobles once told a Methodist priest, after hearing him describe his god, that the god they worshiped was the "Mormon's" Devil-a being without a body, whereas our God has a body, parts and passions." (Brigham Young, JD 5:331)

"...the great apostate church as the anti-christ...This great antichrist...is the church of the devil." (Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p.40)

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the "whore of Babylon" whom the lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness." (Pratt, The Seer, p.255)

 

“God is not at its head, making that church [i.e., Christianity] – following the appearance in it of Satan – no longer the church of God. To say that Satan sits in the place of God in Christianity after the time of the apostles is not to say that all that is in it is Satanic.”
- Kent P. Jackson, “Early Signs of Apostasy,” Ensign, December 1984, p. 9

1 Nephi 14:10 "Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of god, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth."

"Orthodox Christian views of God are pagan rather than Christian" (Mormon Doctrine of Deity, B. H. Roberts [General Authority], 116).

Brigham Young: “…and he that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is Antichrist.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol 9 pg 312).

Mormon Apostle Hyrum M. Smith,- “In fact, my brethren and sisters, if the falsity of a religion can be measured in any degree by the amount of trouble and turmoil and strife and bitterness and hatred that it has engendered in the hearts of men, if it can be judged by the number of wars it has carried on and the rivers of blood it has shed, the amount of misery and sorrow, it has caused, or the extremes of impurity, found among its adherents, then Christianity, that which is known as Christianity, is the falsest of all religions in the world… The trouble is, as God declared to Joseph the Prophet, mankind have gone astray. Their religions are an abomination in his sight, and their professors are corrupt because they have turned away from the truth and have turned unto fables.” (Conference Report, October 1916, p.43).

 

 

The plaque above is found in Temple Square with Joseph Smith a top it.

Do the Latter Day Saints corporately and collectively believe this and support that view point?  Of course they do.  Otherwise, if there is no resurrected church then there is no LDS.

But everyone outside their group is "Anti-Mormon"?  LOL  They are Anti-Christian and seek not only to undermine Christianity and their beliefs but outright work to subordinate one man to another, in that one must accept the Prophets words as sacrosanct and inviolable.

No man pays fealty to another as their superior because thier so called god ordains it.

 

Sohhhhhh, I'll knock it off when Mormons decide to join the larger Body of Christ but, right now you are an exclusive religion that "Excludes" all others when defining just who and who is not a Christian. 

God welcomes all, of their own free will and LDS does not have the imprimatur of deciding who and who is not a Christian, which in your case demands they be LDS.  Nor does God demand we prove ourselves worthy so all the other "Christians" can look upon us approvingly.  We can discuss they why and why not of that latter.


410 posted on 11/20/2012 6:20:10 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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