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To: fishtank

I am a Mormon and you are preaching a FALSE doctrine about my Church. Just because you said it - doesn’t make it so. My personal Testimony of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is everything to me. My Church teaches that Jesus Christ is the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament and the Savior/Redeemer of the New Testament. Since Jesus Christ is the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament, then if A = B and B = C then A = C. Besides, Jesus Christ suffered and died for me. Amen.


72 posted on 11/14/2012 3:34:49 PM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy; fishtank
uuuuuuh sd, your testimony doesn't address your objections. Care to REALLY try.

mormon teach 'god' created heavens and earth from pre-existing material (eternal).

“And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth. And the earth, after it was formed, was empty and desolate, because they had not formed anything but the earth; and darkness reigned upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of the Gods was brooding upon the face of the waters. And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light; and there was light” (Abraham 4:1-3).

Now Sd, why does Jehovah say there is no other true God besides himself?

74 posted on 11/14/2012 4:31:01 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Saundra Duffy; fishtank

am a Mormon and you are preaching a FALSE doctrine about my Church. Just because you said it - doesn’t make it so.

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Sandra it is what your CHURCH teaches and what your LDS scriptures TEACH. Are you saying that your prophets have taught false doctrine?? Did Joseph prophesy falsely? Just because you say that the LDS teach it, doesn’t make it true.

In a revelation given June 1, 1833, the Lord referred to himself as “the Lord of Sabaoth, which is by interpretation, the creator of the first day, the beginning and the end” (D&C 95:7; italics added). In a doctrinal exposition by the First Presidency and Twelve Apostles in 1916, the meaning of the term creator was explained: “The Creator is an Organizer. God created the earth as an organized sphere; but He certainly did not create, in the sense of bringing into primal existence, the ultimate elements of the materials of which the earth consists, for ‘the elements are eternal’ Jesus Christ, whom we also know as Jehovah, was the executive of the Father, Elohim, in the work of creation.... He is very properly called the Eternal Father of heaven and earth.” (MFP 5:26-27; see also Talmage, 32-41.) Ancient Apostles and prophets also understood this concept, such as John (John 1:3), King Benjamin (Mosiah 3:8), and Samuel the Lamanite (Hel. 14:12). Doctrines and Covenants Encyclopedia, Hoyt W. Brewster, 1996.

Mormons believe in a God that organizes pre-existing matter. He does not create matter. Matter can be neither created, nor destroyed. “There is no such thing as immaterial matter.” (D&C 131:7) Joseph taught that matter and intelligence (the thinking part of you) are eternal, meaning not created.

Joseph Smith claimed that God did not make the earth

“out of nothing; for it is contrary to a rashanall mind & reason that a something could be brought from a nothing.....this earth was organized or formed out of other planets which were broke up and remodelled and made into the one on which we live.” (”Rough Stone Rolling”; Bushman, p. 421; from “Words of Joseph”, journal entries of first-hand witnesses)

So, Sandy, apparently you are outside what your church and scriptures teach.


79 posted on 11/14/2012 5:36:32 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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