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Obama wins with the Catholic vote
patheos.com ^ | 11/7/12 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 11/07/2012 8:23:20 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM

Obama wins with the Catholic vote

November 7, 2012 By

Details, from Catholic News Agency:

The Catholic vote was divided much as was the rest of the nation’s voters, leaning slightly in favor of Obama. A final Gallup poll, reflecting tracking from Nov. 1 to 4, showed Catholics favoring Obama by 52 to 45 percent.

“The Catholic vote, like any number of votes, does have the potential to make an impact,” said Gregory Smith, a senior researcher who specializes in Catholic politics at the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion and Public Life.

While they do not vote as a unified group, Catholics are significant in elections because of their large numbers, making up approximately one in four U.S. voters, he said.

Smith said it is difficult to pinpoint what effect the contraception mandate and religious freedom issues are having on the Catholic vote this year.

And there’s this:

In his concession speech Tuesday night, Romney encouraged fellow Republicans to join him in praying for President Obama “and for this great nation.”

“We look for our pastors, priests, rabbis, and counselors of all kinds to testify of the enduring principles upon which our society is built: honesty, charity, integrity and family,” he said.

From the Catholic Sentinel:

The vote is still being parsed, but experts think the majority of the Catholic vote went for President Obama. Catholics who attend Mass weekly seem to have favored Romney.

Catholics represent more than a quarter of the electorate and have voted for the winner of the popular vote in every presidential election since at least 1972. Both campaigns conducted intense outreach to Catholic voters and had Catholic vice presidential nominees. Meanwhile, Hispanic voters also broke heavily for Obama by a 39-point margin.

Exit polls noted that the economy was a top issue and voters were evenly split over which man would do better at fixing it. But the president was seen by voters as more empathetic, some polls said.

It appeared Republicans would retain their majority in the House, and that Democrats would hold their lead  in the Senate.

It’s close, but Washington state voters appear to have approved same sex marriage in their state. Voters in Maryland and Maine made the same choice. That breaks a string of 32 losses in various states, including Oregon.

In all three states, the electorate countered an effort by Catholic bishops, who argued that marriage must abide by natural law. Baltimore Archbishop William Lori had priests read a letter in defense of traditional marriage from the pulpit.

Minnesota voters rejected a measure that would have defined marriage as between a man and a woman.

And from Huffington Post:

Despite strong assaults about everything from what opponents have called a “war on religion” for his healthcare reform policy’s provisions on contraception coverage and pastors’ protests against his support of same-sex marriage to questions over the his support of Israel and his relationship with Jewish voters, President Barack Obama was reelected to a second term Tuesday night with support from religious and especially nonreligious voters.

Obama carried Electoral College votes in several battleground states where religious voters were key parts of the electorate, including Catholic-heavy Ohio, evangelical-heavy Iowa, and Virignia. Another swing stage with a large population of religious voters, Florida, was too close to call by early Wednesday morning.

In his concession speech from Boston, Republican challenger and former Mass. Gov. Mitt Romney congratulated Obama, saying it was a time of “great challenges” in America and that “I pray the president will be successful in guiding our nation.” He thanked supporters for their prayers and said Americans will “look to our pastors and priest and rabbis and counselors of all kinds” as the nation moves on from the election. “Ann I join you to earnestly pray for him and for this great nation,” he said, asking God to “bless America.”

Speaking at his victory speech in Chicago, Obama thanked supporters and “every American who participated in this election,” saying that voters “reaffirmed the spirit that triumphs.” Returning to his motivational, pastor-like tone that was common in his first campaign, Obama referenced the American “belief that our destiny is shared” and said a sense of “love, charity, duty and patriotism” is the hallmark of the nation’s culture.

“Together, with your help and God’s grace we will continue our journey forward and remind the world just why it is that we live in the greatest nation on Earth. God bless you. God bless these United States,” Obama said.

Initial exit polls — which are expected to change through Wednesday as more results come in — showed a mix bag of support for Obama and Romney among religious voters. Among people who said they attend religious services weekly, for example, exit polls indicated Romney took a significant lead. But among voters who said they attend services “occasionally” or “never,” Obama had large leads.

Early exit poll results also showed Obama losing the overall white evangelical vote to Romney, but winning the overall Catholic vote by just a few points. Among Jewish voters, initial exit polls showed Obama having an overwhelming lead over Romney, but preliminary results also showed him winning a smaller percentage of the Jewish vote than he did four years ago.



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To: ConservativeLawyer
My heart does go out to you, and with all due respect, that is the problem with Catholicism. Having been raised Catholic, you attend your local parish, and on the rarest of occasions you go to a neighboring one, but seldom. With Protestantism, if my pastor starts teaching rubbish from the pulpit and capitulates to political correctness, i am free to leave and join a church that fears and honors the Lord without fear that i am leaving the true church and in danger of losing my salvation. I wish you all the best.
61 posted on 11/07/2012 9:45:19 AM PST by bella1 (As it was in the days of Lot.....)
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To: DesertRhino

Well, the fact of the matter is that they did stay home and enough of them so, that Romney lost this election because of it.

You can dispute the facts but Romney turned off sufficient numbers of the base to torpedo his campaign. Something many of us predicted would happen back in March. Why? Because we believed Romney to be a weak candidate.

And we were right.


62 posted on 11/07/2012 9:45:50 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: DesertRhino

And you show your true colours. You care more about Romney than the health of the nation.

At least it’s all coming out who our real friends are, and who was just intent on browbeating conservatives into supporting RMoney for their own purposes.


63 posted on 11/07/2012 9:47:24 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: what's up
Parish priests and bishops were speaking puffy evasive palaver, and writing mush on these critical life-liberty issues all over the country. A big reason for is that -- if demographic trends hold steady ---- 70% of the U.S. church will soon be Hispanic. The Hispanics were strongly pro-Obama, and neither pastors nor bishops wanted to alienate them.

Nor would they try to educate them.

It's amazing how long it took me to realize this.

64 posted on 11/07/2012 9:48:43 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The severed hand cannot heal the Body.")
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To: bella1
Thank you for your kind words. If feel not only am I losing my country, but I'm losing my church.

I plan to put it in God's hands. He is better at this stuff than I am.

65 posted on 11/07/2012 9:48:56 AM PST by ConservativeLawyer (America needs God's blessings)
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To: Salvation
Excuse me but point out the EXACT quote where I wished evil on anyone. I do read my Bible - Very often! Beware of false prophets, teachers, etc.
66 posted on 11/07/2012 9:54:51 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; bella1; Salvation
(Mrs. Don-o) No, I haven't done the math; but I expect Alex Murphy will do so for us all, by and by. (Please include charts, graphs, statistics and clickable headlines, bro.)

(Salvation> Something else that needs to be checked on, please, cause you’re the guy to do it. How many of those who voted for Obama — not just Catholics — were on welfare of some kind? Food stamps? Free meals for kids at school, etc.?

I decided a few days ago that I wouldn't be doing a voter study for this election cycle. Sure, the statistics will be interesting and provocative, but ultimately they will prove pointless. The last time I did one, the Catholics bickered about whether the exit polls were "scientifically accurate", about what the definition of 'Catholic' is, about how no "real Catholics" voted for Obama and (laughingly) how it was actually Protestants who overwhelmingly voted for Obama. So have fun parsing the 2012 vote, Catholics. I look forward to seeing what you all come up with, and what your takeaways will be.

IMO a 2012 "religious vote" study is pointless, because Christians no longer represent the majority vote in this country. We need to "grow the base", the takeaway that I reached after doing the 2008 study:

Year-by-year census numbers show that the number of believing, practicing Christians in this country has been steadily declining for decades. I think we have finally shrunk to the level where we've lost any influence over the culture, morality, or politics at large. IMO that's what the 2008 vote demographics are saying.

We can't influence the ballot box, until we start changing the hearts and minds of the unbelievers among us. We'll remain a statistical oddity, "strangers in a foreign land" (Exodus 2:22, cf Jeremiah 5:19), until we increase our numbers (and I don't mean simply filling seats in the pews). We Protestants and Evangelicals need to take the Great Commission and all Ten Commandments seriously again.
-- Alex Murphy, November 7, 2008

IMO the answer begins with creating a (counter-)culture for ourselves. The Christians in the first century had their own courts, their own "welfare system", their own traditions and customs. When Rome collapsed, the Christians didn't go with it because they were capable of governing themselves (and others). They'd already learned not to look to the State to meet their needs....

....Christians need to rediscover the idea that Jesus Christ is Lord over all of His creation, including politics and government. There is no "neutral area" that the Gospel does not apply to. I'm not talking about ecclesiocracy here. I'm talking about families and businesses and governments being subject to Christ's rule, not subject to a church's rule. There should be a common Lord and a common ethic shared between them all. This country was created and settled by Protestants who held similar ideas. if we want to take our country back from the liberals and the Godless who are turning it into a Nanny Police State, then we Christians better get educated on where that "back" is. Otherwise, we'll just go off in another direction again.
-- Alex Murphy, November 9, 2008

....In short, I believe that Christians in 2008 have lost ground, and are now too small a minority to sway elections in and of themselves. We have become strangers in a foreign land (Exodus 2:22, cf Jeremiah 5:19).
-- Alex Murphy, November 10, 2008
The Catholic Church is failing to stem the tide of immorality here in America. The creedally orthodox Protestant churches are failing as well. IMO we can argue all day regarding whose numbers are increasing or decreasing, but none of it matters if cultural rot is still the result. We are failing to be salt and light.
-- Alex Murphy, December 22, 2008

67 posted on 11/07/2012 9:59:40 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: marshmallow
True that. And even during the "Fortnight for Freedom" they were all repeating the mantra, "This is NOT about contraception." Like, God forbid they should ever have to talk about THAT.

What do they think Freedom IS? Freedom to teach what they haven't taught for 40 years? --And still don't want to teach? Freedom to live a way of life they won't even ask their parishioners to consider living?

The bishops want us, the laity, to get out there and fight for something they would rather not talk about?

"We want the freedom to practice what we don't, in fact, care to practice, thank you very much...."

I could go on but I have to wash my dishes.

Maybe the HHS chemically-spayed girls and women all getting cephalosporin-resistant gonorrhea will get their attention. No, probably not. ("Gee, we haven't had an infant Baptism in 15 years. Wonder if something... you know... happened...")

68 posted on 11/07/2012 10:01:15 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The severed hand cannot heal the Body.")
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

“The road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.” St. John Chrysostom (349-407 A.D.).

The bishops’ statements re: this election were too little and too late. The country was lost when the bishops did not put up a fight over the legalization of abortion 40 years ago. If they had done their duty in supporting and teaching “Humanae Vitae,” things would be radically different.

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!


69 posted on 11/07/2012 10:13:50 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: Salvation; Mrs. Don-o; Dr. Brian Kopp; bella1

I may be just a party of one...but as for me, I don’t want to pursue the “blame game” about the outcome of this election.. There are numerous reasons why this election turned out as it did: the power of the Fourth Estate (which we were warned about in the papal encyclical “Atheistic Communism” which was written in 1938); the moral decay in society, the corruption in political power, the “celebrity” mania, the dereliction of duty on the part of the shepherds of the Faith...who let the sheep wander in alien pastures..., a fear of losing benefits, a skewed view of womanhood, the loss of so many intact families-——what have I failed to add to this list?

I think of the many Catholics who are earnestly trying to live out their faith day by day, not just on Sunday for an hour. These are the Catholics I know; many go to daily Mass even while they hold down jobs; many have a prayer life consistent with their belief; many have consciously placed the Lord as the Master of their lives, and the focus of their hopes and the remedy for their needs, both spiritual and practical. I believe that they are the leaven in the dough—not seen now but to be manifested at the proper time.

I believe that people like this are in the loving care of the Lord Jesus, that they are now...and will be more so in the future...the “remnant” of the Lord.

They are the ones who hear the Lord’s words to Pilate’s question “are You a king?”:

“My kingdom is not of this world”

I’m Catholic. I don’t want to blame Catholics, Evangelicals, Jews, ethnic groups or any other group by name for this election outcome.

Blame can be laid in many places.

“I have come into the world to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice.”

Those who are living their lives in the Lord Jesus are and will be the bearers of His Truth in the days to come.


70 posted on 11/07/2012 10:16:21 AM PST by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: Running On Empty

Amen.


71 posted on 11/07/2012 10:34:41 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The severed hand cannot heal the Body.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
It seems to me the social justice palaver was happening long before the 70% US hispanic demographic was a factor.

They're speaking the social justice language in other countries as well and have been for quite a while.

72 posted on 11/07/2012 10:48:12 AM PST by what's up
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I knew it. Catholics in America are left wing nutjobs.


73 posted on 11/07/2012 10:50:16 AM PST by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useful idiots.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

There are cultural Catholics and cultural Jews, neither takes the teachings of their faith seriously.


74 posted on 11/07/2012 10:57:57 AM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Running On Empty
Dear Running On Empty,

I disagree. Without assigning blame, that is, without figuring out who is responsible for this catastrophe, it's difficult to figure out whose counsel is worthwhile, whose isn't, to whom we should pay attention, who should be ignored. It's hard to fix things when you're unwilling to figure out what went wrong, where, when and how. When you figure out what went wrong, it's inevitable to figure out the parties responsible.

As well, if you don't assign blame, you can't penalize folks. If you don't penalize them, they just repeat their errors over and over, and many folks don't realize that the errors of the blameworthy are just that, errors.

Failing to assign blame leads to repeated failure in our efforts.

All that being said, assigning blame can only be the first step. We'll need to move beyond that, forgive the idiots and transgressors (but NOT LISTEN TO THEM AGAIN), and come up with constructive solutions to fix what is wrong.


sitetest

75 posted on 11/07/2012 11:15:16 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
The Catholic church in America is socially, theologically, and fiscally liberal. Very, very, liberal.

Yes, I know what it says on paper. I know where you stand, but it is time to stop pretending. The Catholic church is a liberal institution.

76 posted on 11/07/2012 11:16:47 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: what's up
You're quite right that it's been more than a recent phenonenon. The NCWC (predecessor to the USCCB) favored national health insurance in 1919. (!)

All of the "Jean Jadot" and "Pio Laghi" bishops of decades ago were reliable liberals; but there has been trend in papal appointments of bishops of a more conservative bent, some in JP2's watch and accelerating since 2005 and B16. But that has been counteracted by the Hispanic demographic.

I wrote a big article for the National Catholic Register about the coming Hispanic wave in 1985. But I certainly had no idea then how big it would be, and how it would influence parishes on every level including political.

This could be healed by inspired pastoral leadership. As always, we must pray for giants, for heroes, for Saints.

77 posted on 11/07/2012 11:30:46 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("There is only one tragedy in life: that of not having been a saint." - Leon Bloy)
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To: Fledermaus; Dr. Brian Kopp
Catholics in America are left wing nutjobs.

Really???

So ... are you saying that Dr. Kopp is a "left wing nutjob"???

Are you saying that I am a "left wing nutjob"???

Seriously ... you desperately need to rephrase that, and recalibrate your thinking.

78 posted on 11/07/2012 11:34:47 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Well now, that's interesting. If you subtract the black vote from the Evangelical total, AND subtract the Hispanic vote from the Catholic total, what do you get?

A big difference is that protestants have only voted democrat 3 times, in 1932, 1936, and 1964, while the Catholic vote before 1972, had never gone republican, or according to many, did go republican once, in 1956.

We are in the glory days of Catholic voting republican, it will return to it's permanent democrat loyalties soon, or it already has. The Hispanic vote also splits between the Protestant Hispanic vote, and the Catholic Hispanic vote.

Protestant Hispanics are in play, and have been voting close to 50/50 republican.

79 posted on 11/07/2012 11:35:48 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: Teófilo

ping


80 posted on 11/07/2012 11:36:31 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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