They're in the subset of Scripture those who those who worship their own, Most High and Holy Self have thrown in the trashcan because they mention not only Purgatory but several other things Self Worshipers don't like to admit were in the Scriptures Christ and the Apostles taught from and quoted. Knowing that the Self Alone worshipers avoid anything they don’t have a twisted interpretation for handy, yes, I did leave out the references. Anyone who actually cares, of course, will have no problem at all finding what those references are.
Moving along, the Solas actually do stand alone except for the required Self Worship desire between the ears of the individuals who accept them. When someone decides that whatever spirit happens to be hanging off a nearby tree on any given day is all the help they need in interpreting Scripture, they're elevating themselves above the Church Jesus Christ Himself established and promised to protect from error, they’re saying the prefer to follow Eve rather than Christ, and they’re elevating themselves above the Word of God itself. For the moment I won’t bother with the fact that such folks are blaspheming the Holy Spirit. They are, but anyone who doesn’t even accept the entire Old Testament Christ and the Apostles taught from and quoted won’t understand that they are in fact blaspheming the Holy Spirit every time they elevate themselves above the Word of God. One thing at a time, as they say.
As for J.N.D. Kelly, he also argues that the Trinity isn’t based on Scripture but is an invention of the Catholic Church, so, anyone who is a Christian pretty much dismisses him right off the bat. He also mutilates a great deal of what the Early Church Fathers had to so and claims that anything they didn’t discuss in detail is an invention of the Catholic Church. That, too, is absurd on the face of it since everything the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church Jesus Christ Himself established is based on Scripture and the Traditions handed down from the Christ and the Apostles. Someone might think they see how the Catholic Church misinterprets some Scripture, but no way can they argue that anything the Church teaches isn’t based on Scripture. Well, no way they can argue that unless they first place themselves well above the Holy Spirit who inspired all Scripture.
Of course, since Kelly is a major advocate of holding one’s Self in greater esteem than the Word of God, it's no wonder that he'd have plenty of absurd stuff to say. I don't recall them right at the moment, but I’ve read about several other absurdities Kelly includes among his revisionist interpretations of what the Early Church Fathers believed. It’s safe to say his other works are equally as erroneous given his assertion that the Trinity isn’t based on Scripture. Even any non-Catholics unfortunate enough to pick up one of Kelly’s books sheik in horror and drop it as they flee such bald faced lies. It’s a funny choice of “experts” for anyone other than the anti-Christian, anti-Catholic, who chuckles over the cartoons of He Who Cannot Be Mentioned with their breakfast bowl of YOPIOS.
Maybe the Russelite crowd enjoys him, but at the moment I don’t recall the particular heresies Kelly wallows in well enough to say whether he’s someone the Watchtower bumblers would rely on or not. I do know that for the Self Alone crowd who assert that while His Word may be inspired, it doesn’t hold a candle to their personal authority, Kelly makes a lot of sense. His Self Worship advocacy fits right in with the Self Alone pretense of being Christian while in reality worshiping the Most High and Holy Self. That pretense of being Christian is exactly what makes the Self Alone heresy so popular. Especially since the, “may the Self be with you”, approach makes it so easy to ignore little details in Scripture like that bit about surrendering to Christ, taking up your cross, and following Him.
Unfortunately for such Self Alone folks, no matter how anyone tries to hide the facts, both Scripture Alone and Faith Alone are indeed heresies as is the marketing scam of, "Once Saved Always Saved". Catholic teaching that we must follow Christ and remain in a State of Grace just happens to be exactly what Jesus Christ Himself clearly teaches in the New Testament. It’s also what the Apostles taught and along with the rest of what the Catholic Church teaches is Christianity as Christ established it. Anything that disagrees with Christianity is heresy, it’s that simple. And heresy is a heresy and a marketing scam is a marketing scam, no matter how many of the Self Alone who worship their own, Most High and Holy Self, say otherwise.
That's not me you see in the mirror...
As far as the Apocrypha is concerned, it was warned of concerning those books, quite early on in the history of the church, that they could be used for edification, but were not to be considered Sacred text, nor used to base doctrine upon -- much less DOGMA with pain of ex-communication attached for disagreement!
All of which has little or nothing to do with myself personally, whether High & Holy or more lowly, near insignificant.
Please, go sneer at someone else. Your posts are full of personal insult and attacks. I merely mirrored them somewhat, hoping you'd get the hint [but having full faith you would not].
Unfortunately, this sort of thing;
Is just a strawman, based as much as anything on your own wind. Is this the projection you are desperately running from?
Look, it's not my fault you may have never received or experienced the baptism of the Holy Ghost, at least before you were Catholic(?).
Others have. For whatever reasons that's what pleased the Lord to do...To give them an immersion of His own Spirit, that particular One whom Christ referred to on one occasion as "the Comforter".
If I myself had not been blessed with such an event (and let me tell you, it IS an event, it's enough to make one stand up and take notice!) then perhaps I would be searching for Him in a Roman Catholic setting (for I have full faith he can be found there also, regardless of the limitations and/or mistakes of man). But then too, I have good reason to doubt I could have or would have physically survived long enough to get into one...
Yet now, there is no pressing need for me to seek forgiveness of my own sins through their official offices. The Lord may well enough be found there, yet He is elsewhere, too, at the same time.
I know there are examples of true Christians to be found within Roman Catholicism. It has been my pleasure to interact with a few of them here on these pages, occasionally. But I sort-of get the impression many freepers stay away from the RF due to the recurrent, near relentless acrimony which can be found on these pages.
It makes it quite difficult to conduct an open and honest, yet in-depth conversation, or discussion, so we don't get much to meet many of the Catholics here, other than in the other forums.
Try discussing the issues on their own merits. If that is too difficult, or if you are mainly here to accuse & sneer (at non-Roman Catholics whom dare attempt to "discuss the issues") then what would that make of you, but a FR RF TROLL?
Which is too bad, for you do have some insightful comments upon occasion, worthy enough, and true enough to both Christianity in general, and Catholicism more specifically (rare as those comments may be).
Just do me one favor. Don't aim that pathetic "it's because of their high holy selves" garbage at me. Nobody is interested in your opinions of themselves, or they would ask. So stow that raffle, or ship out, sailor.
Shape up, or get the ZOT. You're overdue, as it is. How many times must a forum moderator remind to "discuss the issues, but don't make it personal"?
But what do you do? Accuse them of the high and holy thingy, then add to me that I'm blaspheming the Holy Ghost.
Not only is that "making it personal" it is wickedly bad doctrine. But I understand the reasoning behind it. The claim is that ALL Catholic doctrine & dogma is inspired, and closely directed by the Holy Spirit.
But you know what, buddy? It's still second-hand news if all one has is the CLAIM that it is all, every little part of it, pure Spirit.
Unless one actually knows for a certainty that such or someThing/Idea/doctrine/dogma/teaching/opinion/ words spoken among men, is in actuality the Holy Ghost, how could one be guilty of blaspheming?
Sensing His presence taking communion -- does not irrevocably validate each and every little twist & turn of Roman Catholic doctrine & dogma. If that were to be the case, then the Spirit of the Lord would be withholding Himself from those whom actually seek Him with sufficient fulness, but due to some doctrinal misunderstanding, make Himself unavailable. Nor would those some distance away from "Rome" doctrinally, be able to discern that Presence, either, yet Rome says such does upon occasion occur. I bear personal witness that Rome is now at least part-way "right" about that...
...it's sad to see Hardon the Jesuit affecting yet another victim with his own reasonings/erroneous doctrine.
Ive seen where he has written much as you have here. Equating disagreement with peculiar doctrines of Rome, with being blasphemy of the Holy Ghost...the one "unforgivable" sin.
The trouble with that sort of thinking, is that it raises doctrines, including the full set of Roman Catholic Marianism, to not only being equal to Christ, but in a way, even superior to Him, and if not superior, then more than equal to Himself when He walked the earth in the form of a man, and fully equal with the Holy Spirit, thus even the Creator Himself.
Would the Lord, knowing what men are made of, what they are truly like, what their very hearts can be like, with all the trouble which can be found there (which He Himself is the only true master of knowing) trust any group of men to bring forth doctrinal perfection, matching stride for stride in perfection, even the Holy Spirit? When it was mankind, and the sins of mankind even the 'religious authorities' that had Him (who was blameless) literally beaten, tortured, then nailed to a tree?
That is not the Lord I know. He is Just & truly Righteous. He would not leave us to such misery, to be so eternally dependent upon some fallible group of men. That is not the Lord that has in the past shown mercy, and given aid, even unto me. That is not the Lord of The Book, that is not the Lord most often taught of inside even the Roman Catholic church.
Hardon the Jesuit may have had some things going for himself, and perhaps knew a thing or two concerning demonic forces. Yet for him to equate disagreement with a few particular Roman Catholic doctrines & dogma, fully with "blasphemy of the Holy Ghost" goes far too far. The Word itself refutes such an idea.
To stand fully in agreement with that man, is to pronounce damnation upon all but the most select group of "super Roman" Christians, shunting aside most of the Orthodox, Russian, Greek, and others, along with [of course] every single Protestant, Baptist and present-day non-aligned non-denominational.
Is that where you really wish to pitch your tent? All others, guilty of the "heresy of Core"? All the while with your own little 'ol humble self, passing judgement and condemnation out, calling them proud? Too proud for the Lord to save?
Are you the face of Catholicism, or more a poster-boy of why Priests of centuries ago, advised simple congregants, "faithful followers of RCC teachings" to not get into discussions on their own, going under their own steam?