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To: Bobsvainbabblings
How do you determine which of it’s doctrines are from man and which are from God?

By checking their consistency with the deposit of faith originally given the Apostles and its subset actually recorded in the Holy Scripture.

Why would you want to?

Because we believe in Jesus Christ God and our Savior.

my sins, past, present and future have already been forgiven by my Father in heaven after I acknowledged I was a sinner, asked forgiveness and accepted His Son’s finished work on the cross for me.

This is a half-true, and the infection of faith that you got from Protestantism. Christ did redeem all sin and with baptism you received the gift of redemption. You however, continue to be on the road to salvation and future sin may lead you away from it. Consider 1 Timothy 1:19 and especially

brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time. (2 Peter 1:10; check also the context)

Make sure your calling and election.

127 posted on 10/29/2012 5:24:39 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex; Bobsvainbabblings

Let's examine that statement. "By checking their consistency with the deposit of faith..." FULL STOP

Deposit of Faith. THAT phrase is used interchangeably to fully include what you referred to Magisterium of the Church in your own post #112, which is also much lumped in with or referred to as Tradition, served up as as being in actuality not only equal to specifically that

but frequently passed off as that very article itself. It's a subtle thing much of the time...but one of which many have long taken notice of.

Further reply to our FRiend in response to his statement [in part] "my sins, past, present and future have already been forgiven by my Father in heaven..."
you state;

Did not we just previously delve into 1 Cor 3, where we review once again

The Word does indeed judge us. It also sets us free.

Yes, a good word, that is. Yet it very well may not fully apply in Spirit, with the way you have used it HERE.

128 posted on 10/29/2012 10:40:36 AM PDT by BlueDragon (going to change my name to "Nobody" then run for elective office)
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To: annalex; BlueDragon
How do you determine which of it’s doctrines are from man and which are from God?

By checking their consistency with the deposit of faith originally given the Apostles and its subset actually recorded in the Holy Scripture.

Please show me where the Apostles were given a deposit of faith and it's subset actually recorded in Holy Scripture that you can judge these non inspired individuals to be consistent with.

This got answered much as I would have expected while I was away. Catholics claim their belief system is based on what Jesus taught the Apostles. If that were true they would only use the gospels and the writings of the Apostles. Everything needed for our salvation is there. If they wanted to know how the first church operated all you have to do is read the of Acts of the Apostles. They would see that Jesus did as He promised and did not leave them alone. He sent the Holy Spirit to guide them along with angles and Himself in the case of Paul. 

The Catholics freely admit they believe a better way to determine how a church should operate is to look at the church a 100 years or more after the fact. They use the uninspired writings of people of those times. It is no wonder they get upset when Christians want scripture alone.  

 

Why would you want to?

Because we believe in Jesus Christ God and our Savior.

my sins, past, present and future have already been forgiven by my Father in heaven after I acknowledged I was a sinner, asked forgiveness and accepted His Son’s finished work on the cross for me.

This is a half-true, and the infection of faith that you got from Protestantism. Christ did redeem all sin and with baptism you received the gift of redemption. You however, continue to be on the road to salvation and future sin may lead you away from it. Consider 1 Timothy 1:19 and especially

brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time. (2 Peter 1:10; check also the context)

Make sure your calling and election.  

The blood of Jesus on the mercy seat washed away all my sins and allowed me to be redeemed. The baptism Jesus provides for all believers is of the Holy Spirit. It allows us to be born again from our water birth with Satan as our legal father caused by Adam's disobedience into our adoptive Father's spirit family with all the rights and privileges of His only true Son, Jesus.

Only the version of Scripture you provided states you will not sin at any time. Most say stumble. This is like the scriptures the Catholics use when arguing against "Once saved, always saved." The only thing Jesus said could cause you to lose your salvation from His Father is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

We all need to allow the Spirit to renew our minds to lesson our desire to sin and remind us that Satan is still alive and well seeking to deceive us all.. We have free will. I used that free will to believe the Gospel and accept Jesus as my lord.. At anytime before I die, Satan can try to make me an offer I can't refuse. Fame, fortune, power, sex, or whatever he thinks he can lure me with. I still have free will. I can turn my back on God and go with Satan for the goodies. That is why we are to stay vigilant until the end.

While I was away I see this is called a sin of presumption. God cannot lie. He says I have salvation unless I blaspheme His Spirit. How can it be a presumptuous to believe Him.

May God the Father lead us to His truth, BVB  

 

 

 


133 posted on 10/29/2012 9:07:41 PM PDT by Bobsvainbabblings
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