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To: ScubieNuc

Sorry, but Jesus used the word everlasting in relation to hell several times. He either said it and meant it, or he didn’t say it, or he said it and did not mean it, or he lied. Take your pick.


27 posted on 10/17/2012 6:39:30 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: HerrBlucher

Pick your verses, post them and I’ll show you where your context is wrong.

Basically the result of rejecting Jesus is eternal or everlasting in nature, but the punishING does not go on forever. The ONLY ones that appear to suffer forever, according to Revelation is the Devil, the anti-christ and the false prophet. Read Revelation and notice what it says and the order and context in which it says it.

Once your soul is destroyed it stays that way forever, therefore that punishment has eternal consequences.


29 posted on 10/17/2012 6:46:25 PM PDT by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: HerrBlucher




Sorry, but Jesus used the word everlasting in relation to hell several times. He either said it and meant it, or he didn’t say it, or he said it and did not mean it, or he lied. Take your pick.

Indeed. In the spiritual realm everlasting means just that. But then there is the annihilationists version:

The Word of God

The annihilationists version

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. " (Revelation 20:10)

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet — were burned up — and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever — which means for about a moment." (Revelation 20:10)

"The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. " (Revelation 14:10-11)

"The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented — for a moment — with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night — because they no longer exist — who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. " (Revelation 14:10-11)

"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: " (Matthew 25:41)

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire — which you experience for a moment — prepared for the devil and his angels:”

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." (Matthew 25:46)

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment — by just being burned up and delivered from experiencing everlasting punished — but the righteous into life eternal — which means experiencing it." (Matthew 25:46)

"Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;" (2 Thessalonians 1:9)

"Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction — by ceasing to exist — from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;" (2 Thessalonians 1:9)

"And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." (Mark 9:47-48)

"And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire — and be burnt up — : Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched — but you will cease to exist." (Mark 9:47-48)

"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. " (Luke 16:22-23) [Note that Jesus parables do not use real names, and use real physical realities to correspond to spiritual ones]

"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments — which unlike my other stories, is science fiction because the dead spiritually know nothing — and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. " (Luke 16:22-23)

"And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. " (Luke 16:24)

"And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame — .which ongoing torment is not real." (Luke 16:24)

"For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. " (Luke 16:28)

"For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment — even though they will only experience annihilation." (Luke 16:28)




42 posted on 10/17/2012 8:09:23 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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