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To: markomalley
" . . .nondenominational Christians who can no longer be categorized as Protestant, . . ."

ROTFLMAO, that's rich. What are they, New Age dolphin worshipers? Elvis worshipers? UFO worshipers?

Just because they use new buzzwords as part of their marketing campaign doesn't change their basic doctrines, the heresies they prefer, or their intrinsic anti-Catholic teaching.

No matter what they prefer to call themselves they're part and parcel of the same half truths and heresies they absorbed from their Protestant parents. People trying to run away from the fact that they're Protestant is no different than the democrat fascists running away from admitting they're liberal now that everyone knows liberalism is destructive. Neither group has changed a thing they believe or teach, they just want to distance themselves from their own actions since it's getting painfully obvious that they're the cause of the mess this country is in.

Scratch the surface on the relativistic, self-centered, freedom from responsibility, feelgood, doctrines that have taken over Western societies and you find the same basic things Luther taught. Protestants (no matter what they call themselves) teach the doctrine of Self Alone and the worship of your own, Most High and Holy Self.

Here you go, have a slice of nondenominational happiness.

44 posted on 10/09/2012 6:27:11 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
Well, those few well-chosen scraps of bile really opened my eyes to the spiritual shortcomings of a billion plus people. With a technique of persuasion like that you should have no trouble getting a job as a high level GOP political strategist.

No wonder Christianity is in decline when the hearts of its champions are filled with hatred, contempt and ill will to their fellow Human Beings.

48 posted on 10/09/2012 9:51:40 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Rashputin

Your claim flies in the face of reality, Protestants built a wonderful, conservative nation, and Catholic immigration has been moving it left ever since they started immigrating in large numbers in the 1840s and 1850s.

Do you not know how Catholics and Protestants vote in America?


58 posted on 10/09/2012 11:52:53 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Rashputin; daniel1212; boatbums
Protestants (no matter what they call themselves) teach the doctrine of Self Alone and the worship of your own, Most High and Holy Self.

Really? Do you have a confessional statement to go along with that accusation? Westminster? SBC's Baptist faith and message? Augsburg Confession?

Perhaps you have youtube video's of various church members stating such a belief?

Didn’t think so.

Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Now that’s a problem for you, because your charge is so specific that to prove it true, you would have to have either 1) concrete documentation, or 2) the capacity to read minds and see into human souls, which I believe is reserved to the Almighty. I for one reject your claim as spurious and unprovable. It is a lie until proven, and if not proven, it is a violation of the foregoing commandment.

What you are posting is not truth, not even good history, but a self-serving theory, and as we still live in a free country you are entitled to your own theory, but not to your own facts. You are engaged in a causal fallacy. As I pointed out to you before, it is Aquinas and his effort to absorb Aristotle into the Church that played a key role in opening the door to the self-worshipping autonomy of the Enlightenment. Not that he intended such a result, but it is difficult to deny the demonstrated consequences of his elevation of reason above its humble Augustinian station.

I recommend a book to you, by Francis Schaeffer, The God Who Is There. It provides a good outline of this development of autonomy, all the way from the beginning of church history, through Aquinas, and into the modern era. You can understand very little of how we got where we are without taking in a wider universe of facts. It is unhelpful to just keep firing off the same tired old polemic against people who love to know and obey what God has told us in His word.

Protestants are protesters, yes, but against what? The unity of Christian belief? Never! The authority of the Sovereign God? Never! We wage our protest against secular humanism in all its forms, without partiality, whether it appears in Caesar’s hubris, or Rome’s hubris, or the hubris of the postmodern spirit that denies all law but itself. By that measure, all true Catholics are necessarily Protestants:

Joh 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another. [18] If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. [19] If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

And who promotes hatred of those who love God and His word? Schismatics. This is why I am careful on these forums never to make a charge which I would not be willing to defend in the court of Heaven. That principle has forced me more than once to back down from my initial impulses and consider whether I could back up my charges with evidence that would survive divine inspection. Because someday I may indeed be challenged by that Higher Court to support my claims against fellow believers, and I would not want to be found standing next to the Accuser of the Brethren on that day.

Just sayin …

Peace,

SR

65 posted on 10/09/2012 1:49:10 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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