Yes, Declaration of Independence cites our rights come from our Creator but not specifically the Triune God and specifically Christ. If the founders wanted this to be a christian nation, you would think they wouldhave specifically mentioned Christ in founding documents but they didn’t. Got to remember there were Christians, Jews, Deists, masons that were founding fathers and they all had defition of who God but they never specifically defined who God was. Also many founders were Masons, which is a univeralists form of a relgion and denies the deity of Christ. Hard to argue that this was founded as Christian when many of the founders belonged a non Christian religion. Obviously there many good Christians in the founding and had a alot of influence and still have influence today.. Like I said, we were never founded as Christian but a nation that was influnced by many christians.
I wondered how long before someone would post the real truth. Some 39 posts later we have it, thank you sir.
As someone who at one time bought into David Barton’s stuff, who sincerely wanted to believe our founders founded a Christian nation, the facts say otherwise. Truth is, the founders were universalist Masons who purposely made sure that it BE NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION.
Ben Franklin and Jefferson were the most adamant of the lot. Thomas Paine, who’s “common Sense” pamphlet played such a major role, was a rabid infidel, antichrist, and a Mason. He desired a revolution and founding of a nation emphatically minus Christ having anything to do with it. He got his wish. He said, once founded, Christianity wouldn’t last 30 years. That was his hope. Roll over in your grave, antichrist, we Christians are still here!
Truth is, Christianity and antichristianity have been locked in mortal combat in America since day one. The Pilgrims representing the former, the Masons the latter. Like the devil making his appearance right away in the garden of Eden, like the tares appearing right away amongst the wheat in Christ’s parable of the wheat and tares, Matt. 13, it’s just the way it is...and will continue so till the 2nd coming.
For a great amount of eye opening documentation about what the founding fathers really were, check out this youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=X-a9i0FCEqk
The Country they were hoping to create
More quotes specifically about Christianity
What they did want was a country not hostile to other religions. They saw the abuses that took place when the government interfered with religion (as Jefferson's letter to the Baptists clearly details); that argument has been flipped on it's head to not allowing "religion to interfere with the government."
The Founding Fathers wanted the dual voices in the public square. When either the State or the Church has all power, abuses occur. Both were meant to check each other. As history clearly shows, when you strip power from one, it is assumed by the other.