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To: Natural Law
"In simpler terms; give us the Eucharist."

Yet another misuse of the Scripture. Your reference has Jesus teaching the Jew the full impact of the Law and its consequence. Notice Matt. 7:12, a telling remark in this so-called "Sermon on the Mount". Tragically, many Gentiles have read the mail to the Jewish tribes in the early part of the "Gospels" and failed to notice that we were not grafted in until the blood was shed (Eph. 2:11ff). The result? Much non-existent "religion" appended to their perception of the Gospel.

Good hermeneutics? Read the information after the resurrection...there is the Gospel. You have been saved by grace, through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God. Big organizations cannot tolerate being set aside by grace. Thus...pater nosters.

Grace to you, my FRiend.

6 posted on 09/20/2012 11:53:43 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
You have been saved by grace, through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God. Big organizations cannot tolerate being set aside by grace. Thus...pater nosters.

The post is about a prayer that Our Lord taught us to recite. Your conclusion above is a non sequitur.

7 posted on 09/20/2012 1:55:26 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Dutchboy88
"Yet another misuse of the Scripture."

The history of Christianity is full of sincere people disagreeing over what the Revealed Word of God is and means. One man's scripturally based orthodoxy is another's heresy and visa versa. I suspect that only God knows for sure an how we react to these contradictions is a test of our understanding of the bigger message about love and forgiveness.

Stepping away from arguments (not quarrels) over Scripture St. Thomas Aquinas taught that love between us is best characterized not by our direct thoughts and feelings toward each other, but by those things that we together love. He called this transcendental third. For example you will have those in your life that you love because they share your love of a football team, or fishing, or a political philosophy, or a hobby. You love your family because you love the "us" more than any one member.

Similarly, those of us who love Jesus above all else, even though we differ on doctrine and dogma, share something truly special and have a bond greater than the sectarian rancor and strife seen in these threads. As I continue my conversion I can honestly say that, because you love Him, I love you.

I have learned much in these threads, some directly from those of you who oppose Catholicism and much more by researching and praying over the serious questions raised. I will not try to dissuade you from your opinions and beliefs, but only try to live out mine. Maybe, by example and not sectarian rhetoric we can continue to learn from each other.

Peace be with you.

8 posted on 09/20/2012 2:00:03 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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