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African-American Christians waver over vote
The Longview Daily News / The Associated Press ^ | September 16, 2012

Posted on 09/16/2012 1:15:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Some black clergy see no good presidential choice between a Mormon candidate and one who supports gay marriage, so they are telling their flocks to stay home on Election Day. That's a worrisome message for the nation's first African-American president, who can't afford to lose any voters from his base in a tight race.

The pastors say their congregants are asking how a true Christian could back same-sex marriage, as President Barack Obama did in May. As for Republican Mitt Romney, the first Mormon nominee from a major party, congregants are questioning the theology of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its former ban on men of African descent in the priesthood....

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TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Other Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bhohomosexualagenda; blackchurch; blacks; blackvote; christianity; christians; christianvote; homosexualagenda; homosexualmarriage; obama; romney; samesexmarriage
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No. They are not wavering. They will go for him at 94%. Book it.


21 posted on 09/16/2012 2:04:04 PM PDT by Jake8898
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To: Moorings; MNJohnnie; svcw

His issues statements and the Republican Party platform are both Pro-Life and pro-Traditional Family. If he wavers after being elected president, then we go after him. On the other hand, Mr. Obama will kill a baby that was born alive and feels that everyone should be able to marry. With a second term, I expect him to come out for polygamy and lowering the age of consent. But you go ahead and keep throwing up flak at Gov. Mitt Romney so that Mr. Obama slides into home. My FEMA camp is less than a mile away, so they’ll just march me there instead of sending a truck. Do you know where yours is at?


22 posted on 09/16/2012 2:08:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Jake8898

Yes, but 94% of twenty millions and 94% of fifty millions are two different things. That’s what might happen with the gay marriage flap.


23 posted on 09/16/2012 2:10:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They’ll always be conflicted until they decide what they are — AFRICAN-Americans, or Americans. If someone calls himself African-American, I consider him a racist and not in tune with this country.


24 posted on 09/16/2012 2:11:51 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: MNJohnnie
You seem somewhat emotional about Romney to lie and spin for him. Some of us are not about to do that, even though he is carrying the party standard. It has nothing to do with our candidates losing. I know it is a difficult concept for the some to understand, but please try a little harder. We are also not simplistic enough to call long-time freepers "Obama supporters" at the drop of a hat.

Again Romney's RECORD on abortion and gay-marriage are bad. Anyway it is pointless to argue all that at this point. We were not looking for a perfectly pure candidate... just someone who was even moderately conservative. The hyperbole of the "perfect candidate" and "purists" e.t.c are just tired and overused. You are not winning anyone over.

25 posted on 09/16/2012 2:17:24 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: Moorings

Very well cling to your emotional ignorance and keep propagandizing for Obama

You can explain to God one day your actions. However, you will not be able to claim to him you were not warned about the results of your actions.


26 posted on 09/16/2012 2:21:26 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Your obnoxious Rombattery is not helping at all with those of us who are going to hold our noses to vote for Romney. Not helping at all. He’s a flawed candidate who wavers a great deal on core conservative issues. Do not invoke the name of God in condemnation of anyone who recognizes this fact. You have no idea how badly this comes across.


27 posted on 09/16/2012 2:26:29 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: MNJohnnie
Who is propagandizing? Can you point out the propaganda in my posts. I just pointed out your spin, and your emotional and unwarranted attacks on freepers. Are you trying to bring God in to support all that?

What is emotional ignorance?... calling a spade a spade? Romney is the candidate to go up against BO. He is a lot better that BO. However, lets not attribute qualities to him that he has not earned yet.

28 posted on 09/16/2012 2:30:17 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think many of them will in fact stay away from the voting booths. That’s going to hurt Obama.


29 posted on 09/16/2012 2:33:57 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don't think the Black church is really that conflicted. They've been allied with evil for about fifty years and not blinked at any abomination the liberals have endorsed.

Black "chrstians" are followers of Martin Luther King Jr. and unorthodox liberal Protestant who rejected many orthodox chrstian tenets of belief and accepted all the liberal "higher criticism" of the Bible. How many of the rest of the Black clergy do as well?

By rejecting the importance of super-rational taboos in favor of a purely rational morality, the Black Church has shown itself not African at all, but a continuation of the eighteenth century European "enlightenment." So much for their alleged opposition to "western civilization!"

30 posted on 09/16/2012 2:39:00 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

If Hilter and Stalin were up in an election against each other, I’d vote to replace the one in power. Constant turnover is the only way to keep either from becoming too powerful.


31 posted on 09/16/2012 2:42:27 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
2DV, I was trying to find the violin music to go with your post :-). I talk to conservative christians/independents regularly, when I talk politics and what liberals are doing they come back and tell me that the Repubs are a big disappointment as well, and just full of empty promises. I am not about to attribute qualities to Romney that he has not earned, as these folks know what his record was in MA. We just prove their point.

Anyway, you can disagree with me... we will just agree to disagree. I am not going to argue with you, as you're are one of my Palin friends. :-)

32 posted on 09/16/2012 2:48:54 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: 5thGenTexan

It’s time to decide which means more: your skin color or your Lord.


Nothing to with race. If you flipped the GOP and Democratic platforms, you’d see blacks voting 9 to 1 for Romney. We’ve seen this in other races where the black GOP candidate was crushed by a white Democrat. Pocketbook issues are the key, and the only way for the GOP to attract more black votes is to give up economic conservatism, which would mean endorsing the welfare state and racial preferences for blacks.


33 posted on 09/16/2012 2:56:29 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Moorings

I’ve never had any love for Governor Romney, but when the choice comes down to either him or Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, a man dead-set on destroying my country, the country of my birth and whose uniform I proudly wore, there is no contest. And that is the choice. No third party or write-in candidate is going to be sworn in next January.


34 posted on 09/16/2012 2:59:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: FreedomPoster

I’ll take it, though I would prefer conservative blacks wake up and leave the Dem Party.


They’ll do that as soon as the GOP embraces racial preferences for blacks and the welfare state. Ultimately, it’s all about pocketbook issues.


35 posted on 09/16/2012 3:03:09 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: aimhigh; Zionist Conspirator

I compare it to having a choice between Hubert Humphrey and Joseph Stalin. Both are “left-of-center” but anyone with a brain can see which one is preferable.


36 posted on 09/16/2012 3:03:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: svcw; MNJohnnie
We all have to vote our conscience. After much agonizing thought, sleepless nights and prayer, I will vote for Romney.

Imho, Obama hates and seeks to destroy our country. Romney, while flawed, is an American.

37 posted on 09/16/2012 3:05:29 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I do agree with your post there.


38 posted on 09/16/2012 3:21:26 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: aimhigh; 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t see what your two posts have to do with my observations about the Black church. Perhaps they were addressed to me as a mistake?


39 posted on 09/16/2012 3:24:49 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These folks need to be reminded that there is no religious test for holding public office in the USA.

There are plenty of good reasons not to vote for Mitt Romney (NONE of which outweigh the fact that he is not Obama, btw), but the fact he is a Mormon isn’t one of them.

Even Obama’s despicable faux Christian religious views do not actually disqualify him (although were he a Republican or even a white Democrat they would have), his communist beliefs do.


40 posted on 09/16/2012 4:16:13 PM PDT by jocon307
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