Posted on 09/13/2012 8:28:28 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
....religious-minded Americans also have to reconcile conflicting stances on political views within the church itself.
For example, both Mormon and Catholic doctrines preach anti-abortion and traditional family values that align with the Republican way. At the same time, church leaders also publicly adopted a Democrat-esque, humane approach to immigration enforcement, inccluding a path to citizenship.
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The conversation also is about immigration and church officials' views that politicians should adopt a more tolerant view of the presence of immigrants.
The softer stance stems from a growing number of undocumented immigrants converting to Mormonism — an estimated 70 percent of Latino Mormons are undocumented. In the Catholic Church, where membership is steadily declining, immigrants are offsetting those losses.
A 2012 poll by the Pew Hispanic Center, a nonpartisan research organization, revealed that 69 percent of foreign-born Latinos identify themselves as Catholic. To maintain membership, religious leaders must tread lightly near these issues.
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Today, about 25 percent of Arizona residents, about 950,000, call themselves Catholic. And the diocese has no problem throwing its weight around.
Olmsted wrote a letter in January to Phoenix-area Catholics blasting portions of "Obamacare," the Affordable Care Act requiring all employers' insurance policies to cover contraception, sterilization, and abortion-inducing drugs.
Priests read the letter at Catholic masses across the Valley.
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The church also easily navigated the Arizona Legislature, where Representative Debbie Lesko, a Republican, sponsored a measure that essentially protected churches and religiously affiliated employers from having to include birth control and related services in their insurance plans.
And yet, members are not always in lockstep with the church.
Despite the bishops' consternation over birth control mandates, 82 percent of Catholics believe that birth control is morally acceptable, compared to 90 percent of non-Catholics, according to a Gallup poll conducted in May.
(Excerpt) Read more at phoenixnewtimes.com ...
By the way, that article is from January of 1968, doctors were already abusing the law, and those two were being brought up on charges of aborting for German measles, which was a violation of the bill.
That quote is unfortunate in that it leaves out non-Catholic Christians, it would be great if Catholics voted like non-Catholic Christians.
"Putting the two together, they say that the number of "real Catholics" in this country is no higher than 7 million (i.e. not the 70 million or so that the USCCB reports)."
But for repenting at the end of life. One thing is for sure I know when someone is diagnosed with a terminal disease they do come back. I remember my neighbor reading the bible having any Catholic or Christian come in to talk and pray. So Thank God in a way for slow illness for them to get serious about there soul. I have done prayers myself to help make a real decision for Christ happen for many in terminal illness. Praise be to Jesus.
Hopefully stay home.
If Catholics and Jews in America are still going to vote for Obama then they are delusional and, frankly, stupid.
So when the SHTF, don’t come knocking on my door for help when the hoards come for you morons.
Gee Whiz. It sure seemed like he was pro-abortion when he signed that Bill and sentenced those innocent babies to death. THey probably thouht so too when the scissors came after them. When he followed up with a letter to me explaining his reasons it sure sounded like he had been pro abortion. I guess he had me foooled. Even when he later explained that he’d made a mistake and regretted it, it sure seemed like he’d been pro-abortion. Most of the country thought so because he was running for President by then.
I’m glad that you know better than those of us who lived there then and opposed the Bill and could set me straight. Sarc/off
BTW, what were you doing in 1967 and 1968? Where did you live and where did you acquire your depth of knowledge?
Or, were you even born yet?
Anybody can fool a lying anti-Reagan troll, Romney has you lying up a storm.
If you know a lot about Mitt Romney, then can you tell us if at this moment (today, right now), is Mitt pro-life, or pro-abortion?
Does Mitt support the GOP party platform on abortion?
I have a bracelet (sort of like the POW-MIA bracelets) that I bought at a Catholic Daughters' convention that I vowed to wear until Roe v Wade was overturned. I confess that I got tired of wearing it every day. I think it's time to get it out again -- at least on Sundays.
marshmallow didn’t agree with you.
You are lying about Ronald Reagan ever having been a pro-abortion man, he was always pro-life.
If Reagan was pro-abortion, then post the quotes, the writings, the speeches.
You need to quit lying about this. Lying about Reagan is not looked on favorably at FR.
Some things are a difference of opinion, but Reagan being pro-abortion is not one of those things.
To keep calling Reagan pro-abortion and totally ignoring the facts and the challenges to produce the quotes, the writings, the speeches, pretty soon identifies you as a lying troll, not someone who is temporarily mistaken, or merely uninformed.
You have dishonestly attacked Reagan all day, why not answer this about your candidate, who you refuse to discuss?
“If you know a lot about Mitt Romney, then can you tell us if at this moment (today, right now), is Mitt pro-life, or pro-abortion?
Does Mitt support the GOP party platform on abortion?”
You haven’t answered my question. Did you live in CA in 1967, or 1968? Were you part of the CA Abortion Bill discussions statewide? If you weren’t, you don’t know what you are talking about, and I am offended by you calling me a liar (and worse) 6, or 7, times. Where is a Mod when we need one? I have tried to keep this discussion on a reasonable plane, but you are impossible. I hope you enjoy the next four years with Obama.
Call a moderator on this day long Reagan lying that you have been doing if you want, you refuse to post absolutely anything by Reagan stating that he was ever anything but pro-life, yet you continue to lie, and lie, not with any information or quotes, or speeches, or writings, but with the same stupid claim that he was pro-abortion repeated over, and over.
You absolutely refuse to respond to any inquiry on Romney though.
This thread has been a non-stop Reagan bash for you.
You are admitting that he wasn't pro-abortion. You are so out of it, that you aren't reading my posts, like post 36, or even your own posts, like post 35 where you admit that Reagan was not pro-abortion.
Did you bother to read post 39?
Words such as "false" "error" "wrong" do not attribute motive.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Absolute falsehood. However Obama did insist that pro gay marriage and taxpayer funded abortion on demand up to birth planks be added to the 2012 Democrat Platform.
But I know, the "Conservatives for the Reelection of President Obama" (CREEP0) squad around here doesn't like to discuss those inconvenient truths.
Reagan was not as obsessive about anti-abortion legislation as he often seemed. Early in his California governorship he had signed a permissive abortion bill that has resulted in more than a million abortions. Afterward, he inaccurately blamed this outcome on doctors, saying that they had deliberately misinterpreted the law. When Reagan ran for president, he won backing from pro-life forces by advocating a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother. Reagan’s stand was partly a product of political calculation, as was his tactic after he was elected of addressing the annual pro-life rally held in Washington by telephone so that he would not be seen with the leaders of the movement on the evening news. While I do not doubt Reagan’s sincerity in advocating an anti-abortion amendment, he invested few political resources toward obtaining this goal.
Source: The Role of a Lifetime, by Lou Cannon, p. 812 , Jul 2, 1991
http://www.issues2000.org/celeb/Ronald_Reagan_Abortion.htm
Darn, I was so caught up in the Reagan aspects, that I never noticed that it was the religion forum.
I must have used that term several times, and harshly, I was thinking politics and Reagan, and not religion.
Sorry.
Romney or Obama will be the next President. Spending all their time trash talking Romney with absolutely fraudulent talking points does one thing help Obama.
It might not be the intent of the posters doing it, it is the result of their actions.
NO, see post 39, where only months after he reluctantly signed the bill, doctors were being charged with deliberately misinterpreting the law.
The doctors were doing what Reagan had made sure (he thought) could not be done, what Reagan had called "only a step away from what Hitler tried to do", when he had forced changes in the bill.
“Absolute falsehood. However Obama did insist that pro gay marriage and taxpayer funded abortion on demand up to birth planks be added to the 2012 Democrat Platform.”
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Romneycare-Obamacare-Catholic-birth/2012/02/07/id/428686
In the words of Newt Gingrich:
“The Obama administration is raging a war against the Catholic Church,” Gingrich said on ABC’s “Good Morning America” last week. “Well guess what? Mitt Romney’s Romneycare — he specifically refused to exempt Catholic hospitals, he specifically cut funding for kosher meals for Jewish senior citizens in Medicaid in Massachusetts.
“There are a lot of parallels between these two guys. Romneycare and Obamacare are essentially the same.”
You calling Newt a liar?
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