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To: Persevero

“Or Judas, who knew the gospel, professed faith, walked with Jesus, actually kissed Him - yet betrayed Christ.”

The Bible tells us clearly that this was taken out of Judas’ hands. When he asked Jesus who the betrayer would be, Jesus handed him the bread, then the Devil entered Judas. Jesus then said, to the Devil, “What you are going to do, do quickly.”

Even after the betrayal Jesus said, “Of those whom you gave me I have lost not one.” If Judas was damned then what did that mean?


73 posted on 09/09/2012 5:06:01 PM PDT by MalPearce
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To: MalPearce

see post 52- “the son of perdition” is Judas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_perdition

In John 17:12, Jesus, in reference to Judas Iscariot, says that of all his disciples, none has been lost except the “son of perdition”.


75 posted on 09/09/2012 5:13:24 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: MalPearce

“If Judas was damned then what did that mean?”

Indeed. It is a deep question.

Esau’s fate: “For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.” Hebrews 12:17

He became the father of the Edomites, the enemies of Israel.

What does it mean?

John 10:27-30

“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
I and my Father are one.”

It says there that his sheep will never perish, and can’t be plucked out of Jesus’ hand. This is true. Yet Esau and Judas and others fell; this is also true. How to reconcile them both?

God is sovereign, yet man is responsible. So apparently Esau, for all his outward trappings of sonship and faith, was not ever truly part of things.

Jesus tells us to beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing. Among other things, this tells us that there are people who appear to be Christians who are not, and we are to be careful and not get led astray by them.

Also he says Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light. We need to be on our guards.

Yet we can take comfort in the knowledge that he will keep us, even like Job, we may suffer, but we will not lose our salvation, if we truly trust in Him.


110 posted on 09/09/2012 6:37:22 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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