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To: Genoa

“So let me make sure I understand this. If someone totally rejects and repudiates their Christianity, they are just showing that they were never actually saved in the first place?”

That’s the doctrine, yes.

“Can anyone know for sure that they will never repudiate their Christianity (or more properly, Christ?)”

The Bible seems to be replete with reassurances on this. For example, “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.” (John 14:1-3).

Also the examples of Job, and Peter, Satan is allowed to do so much, and no more. Throughout Biblical history, God keeps his people.

“At the least the teaching that a person can reject his salvation still allows for present assurance based on present faith”

That may be so; but it should be of concern to us to think Biblically, and accept what the Bible says, not be pragmatic about it.


47 posted on 09/09/2012 4:12:48 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero
There are many assurances in statements made by Jesus, Paul, etc., that I think need to be read in their proper context. In each case, the person is being addressed with the understanding that he is a believer and continues as such.

Concerning your statement about God keeping us, isn't that with regard to the efforts of Satan? God defends us against threats from without, not from within. We are free agents.

56 posted on 09/09/2012 4:22:03 PM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Persevero
...think Biblically, and accept what the Bible says...

Foul. "What the Bible says" is the point at issue. You don't get to beg the question. :-)

57 posted on 09/09/2012 4:27:22 PM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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