[fwdude]

With all due respect, Gina, saying that Judas was never saved is saying that Christ chose an unbeliever to be one of his closest associates, an ambassador of his Gospel. What does this say about Jesus?

To say that he chose him for the purpose of fulfilling God's will is the most extreme example of "limited atonement" for "the elect."

[WXRGina]

Jesus knew when He called Judas that Judas would betray Him. Jesus knew this before He formed Judas in Judas’ mother’s womb.

I’m just going by what the Bible says, what God tell us. Judas was not saved. Yes, Jesus chose him and Judas also made his choice—that does not mean Judas was ever saved.

[Augustinian monk]

Is John the Beloved presenting a tautology here?

New International Version (©1984)
If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

So can a true Christian ever hate his brother?