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To: unlearner

“No, Mary does not have any special intercessory power. Even when she was alive we never read of the apostles making a special request for her to say a prayer to get them out of a tough jam.”

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When God shows you personally, remember, “oh yes, the Catholics were trying to show me.”

Mary is spoken of in Genesis 3:15 and in Revelation chapter 12. She is the “woman.” The reason Our Lord kept referring to his mother as “woman.” In our time and soon during the Great Tribulation, you’ll see she is important to the end times, it’s God’s wish. And evidence, in the last 100 years, Mary has appeared more than at any other time in Christian history.

Our Lord’s mother knew the Gospel writers personally. In
her humility, Mary asked that their writings be about her
Son and revelation about her would come later. They honored
her request even though Mary was there at all the major events of the Gospel, less two I can think of...

Posting ~ from an approved private revelation. Our Lord’s mother spoke to Venerable Mary of Agreda (1602-1665) about her life. From the Mystical City of God, Book 8, Chapter 3 ~ The Gospels:

“Within a few days saint Matthew set about writing the first Gospel. While praying in a retired room of the Cenacle and asking to be enlightened for the inception of his history, the most blessed Mary appeared seated on a throne of great majesty and splendor, the doors of the room still remaining closed. The great Lady told him to arise, which he did, asking for her benediction. Then She spoke to him and said: “Matthew, my servant, the Almighty sends me with his blessing, in that with it thou begin the writing of the Gospel thou hast the good fortune to be entrusted with, thou shalt have the assistance of the Holy Ghost and I shall beg it for thee with all my heart. BUT CONCERNING MYSELF it is not proper, that thou write anything except what is absolutely necessary for manifesting the Incarnation and other mysteries of the Word made man, for establishing his faith in the world as the foundation of his Church. This faith being established, the Almighty will find other persons, who, when the times arrive in which it shall become necessary, shall reveal to the faithful the mysteries and blessings wrought by his powerful arm in me.”...


259 posted on 09/02/2012 10:54:56 PM PDT by stpio
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To: stpio

“Mary is spoken of in Genesis 3:15 and in Revelation chapter 12. She is the ‘woman.’ The reason Our Lord kept referring to his mother as ‘woman.’”

The woman in Revelation 12 is Israel. Due to persecution by Satan during the second half of Daniel’s seventieth week, those Jews who escape the Antichrist purge against Jews and Christians will flee the land of Israel as the Lord prophesied. The sun, moon and stars are symbols which allude to Israel and are used repeatedly in scriptures including Joseph’s dream which foretold how Israel (sun, moon and stars) would bow to Christ.

God spoke in Genesis 3 to Adam, Eve and the serpent. While there is an allegorical and symbolic nature to how this story is told, the event actually happened historically. When God spoke to them it was specifically in response to the wrongdoing which had just occurred. He pronounced judgment with a promise. All of humanity that ever existed and what exists today came from the “loins” of the man and woman here. So, what God said to them is relevant to us, and it is relevant to them. When God referred to “the woman” there was only one woman, Eve. He spoke of ongoing and future events, but He did not foretell of the woman, Mary, who would give birth to the promised seed. Christ is the seed of Eve as much as He is the seed of Mary. If He had intended to communicate of Mary he would have described her as “a woman” because she was not there and did not exist yet.

“Our Lord’s mother knew the Gospel writers personally. In
her humility, Mary asked that their writings be about her
Son and revelation about her would come later.”

It was God Who directed the writers of scripture what to write, not Mary. Mary did have the humility to not want to exalt herself. Christians today should respect that and not exalt her above measure just as she would desire. In Luke 7:28, Jesus said of all who were born of women up until the arrival of the kingdom of heaven (which came after John), none were greater than John the Baptist. Was Mary born of a woman? Yes, she was. Did she come before or after John? Before. The law and prophets were until John. After that the kingdom of heaven was preached. John the baptist was greater than Mary. His role in the first coming of Christ was greater than even her role was. Yet this is what John said about Jesus: “He must increase and I must decrease.” We should not exalt Mary any more than we exalt John. Rather than exalting them, we are to exalt the Savior, which is what they, according to the will of God, would desire.

God condemned Israel through His prophet Jeremiah for sacrificing to the so-called “queen of heaven” referenced four times in Jeremiah 7:18; and 44:17-19. Just like Israel who were, you will recall, God’s chosen people, turned to idolatry; so today Christianity is full of idol worshipers. It makes no difference if Rome sanctions this idolatry any more than the priests and elders and Levites and “prophets” of Israel could disregard the command of God and do this without repercussion.

“the Almighty will find other persons, who, when the times arrive in which it shall become necessary, shall reveal to the faithful the mysteries and blessings wrought by his powerful arm in me.”

So which is it? Did the apostles teach these practices of making statues of Mary and bowing to them and burning incense to them and invoking Mary in heaven for aid and addressing her as “mother of God” and “queen of heaven” or did these supposed revelations come later like this supposed vision claims?


260 posted on 09/06/2012 1:45:48 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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