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To: annalex; Teófilo
Show me a Father of the Church who taught salvation by faith alone in which good works play no role, but rather are a mere consequence of faith, and we can discuss if he meant the same thing as Luther or not. Then, show me where Bible Alone is taught by the Fathers. Or where the Eucharist is taught to be a memorial snack rather than the sacrifice of Christ. Or where priests are taught to be merely pastors who explain the Bible. Or where saints are not to be venerated. Till such time, stop whitewashing the Protestant error, buttering up to the Orthodox and slandering both Churches in the process.

Attributing the motive to me of merely "buttering up to the Orthodox" is rich indeed! I can easily answer ALL your assertions - even those that have been misstated. They HAVE all been addressed in other threads MULITPLE times but I can predict that no matter who I quote to answer your false claims, they will be cast aside for one empty excuse or another. I do not want to hijack Teofilo's thread since it is an interesting topic though, perhaps, this could be why you are wanting to change the subject.

For those genuinely interested in the answers for this discussion, here are several links that speak to them:

The Church Fathers and the Authority and Sufficiency of Scripture

DID I REALLY LEAVE THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH? The Journey into Evangelical Faith and Church Experience

Justification - The Contrast Between the Biblical Teaching and Roman Catholicism

General Articles - Roman Catholicism

19 posted on 08/25/2012 6:57:02 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
For example, form the first link

So, tradition, as defined by Irenaeus, is equivalent to the faith handed down from the apostles, which he often refers to as ‘the rule of faith.’ This rule has a very specific content, all of which is contained in Scripture. He makes no mention of other and purely oral doctrines that are essential for the faith
Protestant sleaze. First, I see multiple quotes from the Fathers about how important for dispute resolution, and, of course, inspired, the Holy Scripture is. That also happens to be the Catohlic teaching. Then Webster quotes Irenaeus on the Holy Tradition being the deposit and the rule of faith (again, the Catholic teaching), and attaches to it his own thought that the entire deposit of faith is "inscripturated". But Irenaeus never said that, -- at least Webster is not quoting it. This is methodology of a charlatan and a liar.

I ask again: post a quote from a significant father of the Church that expressly, and without sleazy insertions by Webster Shembster teach Protestant main tenets in opposition to the Catholic and Orthodox treatment of the same topic. I know books have been written by your co-charlatans on the topic of the fathers. So it shouldn't be difficult for you to pick two or three direct quotes so that we can discuss the quotes and the context. If you have done so in the past, just show me a link to such post. If you think it would be off-topic, start a new thread.

If chest-beating ("I can easily answer ALL your assertions") is all you've got, don't insult the readers' intelligence and show us.

22 posted on 08/26/2012 11:50:50 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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