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To: Zuriel
Don’t you find it odd that nowhere in the epistles (letters to the church) do you find that kind of expression? And, as I said before, in the scriptures the Christ didn’t address her as ‘mother’, but as ‘woman’.

Don't you find it odd to be part of the Body of Christ and not acknowledge your own mother as such? Seriously, this isn't the greatest logical leap in history.

The ‘woman’ is Israel.

Yes. The woman of Revelation is Israel... and Mary. Just as "my Son" in Hosea 11:1 refers to Israel in the particular and Christ in the fulfillment. Scripture is deeper than a 3rd grade reading level. The Old Testament prefigures the mysteries of the New Testament and the New Testament reveals what was hidden in the Old Testament. The virgin which "will be with child" of Isaiah 7:14 found a particular fulfillment in its day but its fullest fulfillment in Mary as noted by the Evangelist (Matt 1:23).

You seem to forget that after Christ's birth, He and His Family were sent to Egypt by an angel in Joseph's dream for their protection from Herod.

Solomon showed respect to his mother Bath-sheba, when she came to pass along Adonijah’s request, and had a seat brought in for her sit beside his throne.

Read my Scripture quote of this incident again... Solomon didn't fetch her a chair, he brought her a throne. I don't know about you but I don't recall another incident in the Bible (nor in world history) where a visitor is sat upon a throne for simple comfort. She was placed upon the throne because it was her right and station. Heck, when the Sons of Thunder asked to sit on Christ's right and left, Jesus said these positions were not His to give as they already belonged to those for whom they were prepared.

I fail to see the Ark as a type of Mary. I see the Ark as a type of Jesus Christ rather easily.

This is silly. What did the Ark do? It contained the manna from Heaven, Aaron's rod and the tables of the Covenant. In short, the bread from Heaven (Christ; John 6:51), authority over Israel (Christ as King), and the Law (Christ as Word). Your analogy fails utterly because Christ is not the Ark... He is its contents.

Going one step further, God's Spirit overshadowed the Ark in his Shekinah glory with just the same Biblical wording and structure as what was described to Mary when the angel said, "The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee."

In short, there is only one person who has born Christ within Her and had the Holy Spirit overshadow Her... and Her name is Mary.

God bless you.

25 posted on 11/11/2012 10:28:17 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

**Don’t you find it odd to be part of the Body of Christ and not acknowledge your own mother as such? Seriously, this isn’t the greatest logical leap in history.**

Face to face, the Lord addressed her as ‘woman’, and placed her no higher than anyone that hears the word of God and keeps it. So, we are to elevate her higher than He does?

She was used (quite willingly) to help bring forth the earthly man; that wept, hungered and thirsted, required sleep, didn’t want to die but did. His body is now a glorified body. Mary didn’t perform that change to his body.

**The woman of Revelation is Israel... and Mary.**

Would that be because your catechisim teaches that?

**Just as “my Son” in Hosea 11:1 refers to Israel in the particular and Christ in the fulfillment.**

Well, maybe you should write Hosea 11:1 in this fashion: “....called my son AND his mother out of Egypt.”

**She was placed upon the throne because it was her right and station.**

While the KJV calls it a ‘seat’, I agree that the hebrew word in both cases in that passage is ‘throne’. But, she apparently didn’t have a throne beside Solomon, but for that moment (which, as I said before, her request was denied). Bathsheba was Solomon’s mother, and David’s wife, yet never referred to as ‘queen’ in the Word.

**Your analogy fails utterly because Christ is not the Ark... He is its contents.**

He is all of it, and high priest as well. The pure gold candlestick-the Light that lighteth all men. The table of shewbread-the bread of life. The Ark-perishable wood (remember...he did die for a short time) covered with gold (non-perishable), in which there is bread from heaven, life from the dead (Aaron’s rod was dead), and the words of God (John 14:10). The Ark symbolizes the Holy Ghost filled man Christ Jesus; “IN HIM was life, and the life was the light of men”. The Spirit also dwelt upon him at his baptism.

**In short, there is only one person who has born Christ within Her and had the Holy Spirit overshadow Her... and Her name is Mary.**

Yet, all that are born of the Spirit are told by Paul that they have Christ in them, the hope of glory.

Really closing this post in haste. This discussion could be continued, but as a truck driver, my ‘steed awaits’.

til next time, Lord bless


26 posted on 11/12/2012 9:06:06 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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