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To: Zuriel
Jesus was an observant Jew. He did not transgress even the smallest part of the Law. As such He honored His Father AND His Mother as commanded in Deuteronomy. Mary has a special place of honor among Christ's followers as the Mother He honors in perfectly following His Father's commands. We are the Body of Christ and She is the Mother of the Body.

The Word never refers to Mary as Queen mother. That’s man made tradition. John 2:4 and 19:26 are the only passages where Jesus Christ speaks to her directly; and he addresses her as ‘woman’, knowing in the future people would be doing all they could to elevate her status beyond what the Word had made plain.

Never?

Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
The Christ never speaks of assigning a throne to her either. But, she mostly likely will be one of many sitting with him on HIS throne.

And yet Scripture records that the Davidic King did homage to his mother and set up a throne for her at his right hand (1 Kings 2:19). Our Lord is the Word and the Word was made flesh. What is spoken in His written Word is of Himself.

Mary was given a great honor in giving birth to the Christ-child, but she didn’t make more of God, didn’t make the soul of the Son, or raise him from the dead, or cause him to ascend up to heaven bodily. She did only that which her physical body could do, and was designed to do.

This has always been a great curiosity to me. Has anyone ever done anything that could please God? Has Christ? By your definition, Mary is nothing special because She simply obeyed God. Can anyone aspire to a higher calling or a higher honor? Although Christ IS more... did He DO more? There is not one of us who does anything but by God's Will and Grace. Her selection as Christ's vessel elevates Her just as the gold selected by the refiners was elevated when fashioned into the Ark of the Covenant. We don't make more of Mary than God Himself did... we simply marvel at His Plan.

We do not claim Mary as more than a woman... just first among Christians in doing the Will of God.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 11:05:03 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

**We are the Body of Christ and She is the Mother of the Body.**

Don’t you find it odd that nowhere in the epistles (letters to the church) do you find that kind of expression? And, as I said before, in the scriptures the Christ didn’t address her as ‘mother’, but as ‘woman’.

**Never? Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.**

Why did you stop before verse 6???
“And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.”

The ‘woman’ is Israel. “For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth...” Is 54:5,6 (see also Hosea chap 2).

**And yet Scripture records that the Davidic King did homage to his mother and set up a throne for her at his right hand (1 Kings 2:19). Our Lord is the Word and the Word was made flesh. What is spoken in His written Word is of Himself.**

Solomon showed respect to his mother Bath-sheba, when she came to pass along Adonijah’s request, and had a seat brought in for her sit beside his throne. She did not sit on a throne herself. Furthermore, her request in that case was denied, and Adonijah died.

**Her selection as Christ’s vessel elevates Her just as the gold selected by the refiners was elevated when fashioned into the Ark of the Covenant.**

God told Moses he would dwell between the cheribims on TOP of the Ark of the Covenant? I fail to see the Ark as a type of Mary. I see the Ark as a type of Jesus Christ rather easily. Mary was greatly blessed in her role, I just don’t take the matter any further than that. All power is in God. Only he is worthy of worshipful praise.

Lord bless.


23 posted on 11/08/2012 7:58:35 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: pgyanke

**We don’t make more of Mary than God Himself did...**

Nor do I and those like minded.
Luke 11:27,28. And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, “Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it”.

Also Luke 8:21. And he answered and said unto them, “My mother and my brethern are these which hear the word of God, and do it”.

It seems that the Lord made it very clear that the mother of his fleshly body was not to be given special attention, for he knew that such things can lead to idolatry (not unlike the vain madness called ‘Amercan Idol’).


24 posted on 11/09/2012 6:45:25 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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