>”You included “works” , yes, it is faith and works
and NOT Luther’s “Sola Fide.” We still by the gift of free will have to choose to do a good work or not and this happens with the “help” of God’s grace. God doesn’t make us do anything, so logically, FAITH doesn’t make us do anything.”<
Once again a Catholic who will not look what refutes his erroneous but convenient conception of what Reformers taught, and continues to argue the same errors refuted before. As apparently you would not follow the link, i will post some of what it provides, showing SE does not exclude the need for salvific faith to be one that effects works:
“In those therefore in whom we cannot realize good works, we can immediately say and conclude: they heard of faith, but it did not sink into good soil. For if you continue in pride and lewdness, in greed and anger, and yet talk much of faith, St. Paul will come and say, 1 Cor. 4:20, look here my dear Sir, “the kingdom of God is not in word but in power.” It requires life and action, and is not brought about by mere talk.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:341-342]
“Such a faith will work in you love for Christ and joy in him, and good works will naturally follow. If they do not, faith is surely not present: for where faith is, there the Holy Ghost is and must work love and good works.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 1:21-22]
“For it is impossible for him who believes in Christ, as a just Savior, not to love and to do good. If, however, he does not do good nor love, it is sure that faith is not present. [Sermons of Martin Luther 1:40]
[Saving faith is] “a living, creative, active and powerful thing, this faith. Faith cannot help doing good works constantly. It doesn’t stop to ask if good works ought to be done, but before anyone asks, it already has done them and continues to do them without ceasing. Anyone who does not do good works in this manner is an unbeliever...Thus, it is just as impossible to separate faith and works as it is to separate heat and light from fire! “[http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/luther/luther-faith.txt]
Christ is the priest, all men are spiritual lepers because of unbelief; but when we come to faith in him he touches us With his hand, gives and lays upon us his merit and we become clean and whole without any merit on our part whatever. We are therefore to show our gratitude to him and acknowledge that we have not become pious by our own works, but through his grace, then our course will be right before God...[Sermons of Luther 1:152]
“..faith and good works should be so closely joined together that the essence of the entire Christian life consists in both.” [Martin Luther, as cited by Paul Althaus, The Theology of Martin Luther [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1963], 246, footnote 99]
And truly, I wonder exceedingly, how it came to be imputed to me, that I should reject the Law or ten Commandments, there being extant so many of my own expositions (and those of several sorts) upon the Commandments, which also are daily expounded, and used in our Churches, to say nothing of the Confession and Apology, and other books of ours. Martin Luther, “A Treatise against Antinomians, written in an Epistolary way”, [http://www.truecovenanter.com/truelutheran/luther_against_the_antinomians.html]
The Gospel proclaims liberty from the ceremonial law: but binds you still faster under the moral law. To be freed from the ceremonial law is the Gospel liberty; to pretend freedom from the moral law is Antinomianism .[Adam Clarke Commentary, Gal. 5:13]
To which the Presbyterian commentator Mathew Henry concurs: “There are many who in word and tongue profess to know God, and yet in their lives and conversations deny and reject him; their practice is a contradiction to their profession.” [Matthew Henry Complete Commentary on the Whole Bible, Titus 1]
Contemporary evangelical theologian R. C. Sproul writes,
The relationship of faith and good works is one that may be distinguished but never separated...if good works do not follow from our profession of faith, it is a clear indication that we do not possess justifying faith. The Reformed formula is, “We are justified by faith alone but not by a faith that is alone.” [“Essential Truths of the Christian Faith,” Google books]
Also, rather than the easy believism Rome associates with sola fide, in Puritan Protestantism there was often a tendency to make the way to the cross too narrow, perhaps in reaction against the Antinomian controversy as described in an account (http://www.the-highway.com/Early_American_Bauckham.html) of Puritans during the early American period that notes,
“They had, like most preachers of the Gospel, a certain difficulty in determining what we might call the ‘conversion level’, the level of difficulty above which the preacher may be said to be erecting barriers to the Gospel and below which he may be said to be encouraging men to enter too easily into a mere delusion of salvation. Contemporary critics, however, agree that the New England pastors set the level high. Nathaniel Ward, who was step-son to Richard Rogers and a distinguished Puritan preacher himself, is recorded as responding to Thomas Hooker’s sermons on preparation for receiving Christ in conversion with, ‘Mr. Hooker, you make as good Christians before men are in Christ as ever they are after’, and wishing, ‘Would I were but as good a Christian now as you make men while they are preparing for Christ.’”
As for your unsubstantiated assertion that “some Protestants insist that it is the faith that does the work in us not we ourselves,” such are only true if they refer to what faith enables, that of God working in us and thru us as we walk by faith, (Phil. 2:12,13) not that our will is not involved.
SE does not mean faith forces you to do something against your will, but faith moves you to choose to act according to what you believe, and enables you to do so. Everyone acts out what they believe.
“Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe. The nobleman saith unto him, Sir, come down ere my child die. Jesus saith unto him, Go thy way; thy son liveth. And the man believed the word that Jesus had spoken unto him, and he went his way. “ (John 4:48-50)
“We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak; “ (2 Corinthians 4:13)
“By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. “ (Hebrews 11:7)
“SE does not mean faith forces you to do something against your will, but faith moves you to CHOOSE to act according to what you believe, and enables you to do so. Everyone ACTS out what they believe.”
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Daniel, no one taught “Faith Alone” until Martin Luther, it
is his lie. You don’t want to let go of it even though
you include in your latest replies “works” which are our ACTS and “cooperation” because we do “CHOOSE” to accept
God’s grace. God wants us to freely choose for Him...every time.
It’s not “Faith Alone.” You’re becoming Roman Catholic,
come further believe int Jesus’ presence in the Eucharist.
Who wouldn’t? Juice and crackers vs receiving God Himself!
You can do it, pray, ask Our Lord, He will help you.
The “All;” I am addressing are those who say no to the RCC.
I keep sharing current private revelation because divine
events are close. The Protestant messages are saying the same but not as explicit as the Catholic because of our pride.
It’s interesting, a current Protestant messenger, Glynda Lomax, her messages are being posted on Catholic sites. I wish non-Catholic Christians would be as open.
Whhhoooa. True repentance and confession of your sins to
God for the life of your soul~! The reason Our Lord established the Sacrament of Confession (John 20:23).
Right now, non-Catholic Christians, examine your life, from the heart, with true contrition repent and confess your serious (mortal) sins to God.
OSAS and some non-Catholic’s misunderstanding of redemption, believing the “Jesus did it All on the Cross” atonement business...are not true. Our Lord reminds us here He is perfectly just. Do you see, reparation is made with “consequences” here on earth and if not completed (there is more, God forgives us when we confess our sins, yes), if not in this life, our reparation, our purgation is completed in Purgatory.
Read Glynda’s latest...
Tuesday, August 21, 2012
All Sin Comes With A Price
My Word is truth, though many refuse the truths it offers them. My Holy Word contains the power to set men free from their sins, the power to move any mountain, to clear any path.
My people often neglect to study My Word and learn of its truths and in times soon coming, this shall lead to their sudden destruction, for no man can stand before My Judgments.
Many are deceived into thinking sin no longer counts, that it no longer matters to Me, but it has always mattered. My Son died for sin because it mattered. He died to set men free from it, not to leave them free to do it more.
ALL sin comes with a price. There is no sin that does not bring a consequence into your life, though at first you may not see it. As the cup of your sins becomes full, that consequence must be meted out, for I am a Holy and Righteous Judge and I will have a holy and spotless bride for My Son.
For those who repent, the consequences will be less. For those who do not even try to stop sinning, they shall be very grave. But be not deceived, whatsoever a man sows, he shall also reap.
Sin is grievous in My eyes and should not be found among those sworn to serve Me. You are coming into a fierce and evil time and you cannot stand before your enemies without My power and My truth. Those who live sinful lives will not walk in My power and will not be able to stand.
If you turn now from your sins, you will have help in that time. If you do not turn from them, grave consequences await you, My children, which you shall not enjoy. For some of you, I shall expose your sins to others. Some of you shall reap through diseases, financial lack and loss of relationships.
Your choices now determine the ease of your path later. In My great mercy, I have warned you that you may turn from the destructive path in time, but you must want to turn from it.
Choose you this day whom you will serve.
Each time temptation calls, you are choosing. Be wise, My children, be vigilant. For the enemy of your souls seeks to devour you and all you have.
Will you let him?
John 17:17: Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
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