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I think boatbums asked about miracles: Transubstantiation happens at every Mass -- that alone is a miracle -- even though one cannot see, or taste it. Here you go with some other miracles that can be seen and tasted and touched!!!! (Most approved by the church.

No, boatbums said that this "miracle" should be literally provable EVERY time it is performed. I also said this is a perception of those who believe it but it does not prove it actually happens. As to these "approved" miracles which are said to have happened, I say OF COURSE the "church" wants to officially approve them - but there is no way trickery, switcheroos and, even, demonic influence can be ruled out. Besides, if, as the Church says, it is a literal reality EVERY time, then it would just be a given that the miracle happens and there would be no chance of trickery or other subterfuge.

I think it is shameful that Catholics have used this as a way of convincing ignorant people into believing that the Roman Catholic church is the ONLY true church of Jesus Christ - insisting that ONLY by joining and doing all the steps commanded of them they can hope to be saved. When all along the Bible is so clear that to be saved we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. When we receive Him as Savior we are born again into the family of God and Jesus, our good shepherd, says we will NEVER perish but HAVE everlasting life. The traditions of men have perverted the true Gospel and God will hold them responsible. The Apostle Peter said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved." We are saved by grace THROUGH faith and NOT of ourselves, not of works lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8,9) Believing in Christ IS receiving His body and blood and is the ONLY way it can save us.

Jesus said, "I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst." (John 6:35)

and

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life." (John 6:47).

In all the talk about what Jesus said in John 6, why are these verses not talked about?

113 posted on 08/19/2012 10:22:22 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
Running on Empty- Thank you :) No one understands a convert like a convert :)

boatbums said that this "miracle" should be literally provable EVERY time it is performed

I realize this comment wasn't addressed to me, but Jesus said no sign would be given apart from his resurrection. Did he not tell Thomas that those who believed without seeing are blessed? Isn't a lack of proof scriptural?

I think it is shameful that Catholics have used this as a way of convincing ignorant people into believing that the Roman Catholic church is the ONLY true church of Jesus Christ

I hope you aren't saying that Catholic believers are ignorant!

- insisting that ONLY by joining and doing all the steps commanded of them they can hope to be saved.

That's not what the Church teaches. My confessor gives me recommendations for growth in the spiritual life. He doesn't insist that I do something. The Church instructs me on the ORDINARY means of salvation (such as regular communal worship at Mass, regular confession;etc) but teaches that these are the ORDINARY means. God is free to work outside the ordinary, and I don't know a single Catholic who believes otherwise.

When all along the Bible is so clear that to be saved we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ

Then respectfully, may I ask why faith alone in His word about His Eucharistic presence isn't sufficient? Why proof is required?

130 posted on 08/20/2012 2:22:15 AM PDT by PeevedPatriot ("A wise man's heart inclines him toward the right, but a fool's heart toward the left."--Eccl 10:2)
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