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Understanding of the Wrath of God
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | August 14, 2012 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 08/15/2012 1:46:40 PM PDT by NYer

Not long ago I saw a bottle of hot sauce with the creative name “Wrath of God!” Now that’s gotta be some hot sauce!

But what is God’s wrath? It is spoken of often in the scriptures and it is a concept with which we have to be careful. On the one hand we cannot simply dismiss the concept as contradictory to the fact that God is love. But neither can we fail to see God’s wrath apart from his love.

As a follow up last week’s discussions on Hell, it seems worthwhile to consider some aspects of the very complicated and reality of the wrath of God. There is not enough space to cover the whole topic in the post but the comments stay open as always for your additions and subtractions.

What are some ways that we can explain and understand the wrath of God? Let me propose a few.

The wrath of God is not merely an Old Testament Concept. In fact we find it mentioned quite frequently in the New Testament as well. For example consider the following:

  1. Jesus said, “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him. (John 3:36)
  2. The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness (Rom 1:18)
  3. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. (Rom 12:19)
  4. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things [i.e. sexual immorality] God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. (Eph 5:6)
  5. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thess 5:9)
  6. The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. (Rev 14:19)

And there are at least a dozen other texts from the New Testament that could be referenced but allow these to suffice. So it is clear that the “wrath of God” is not some ancient or primitive concept that the New Testament has dispensed with. And notice too that the wrath of God is not something simply for the end of the world. It is also spoken of in some of the texts above and others not listed as something already operative in certain people.

So what is God’s wrath? And how can we reconcile it with his love? Consider some of the images, explanations of God’s wrath. None of them, all alone, explain it, but together a picture and understanding may emerge.

1. Image: God’s wrath is his passion to set things right. We see this image of God’s wrath right at the beginning in Genesis when God cursed Satan and uttered the protoevangelium (the first good news): I will make you and the woman enemies….one of her seed will crush your head while you strike at his heel” (Genesis 3:15). God is clearly angered at what sin has done to Adam and Eve and he continues to have anger whenever he beholds sin and injustice.

He has a passion for our holiness, and a passion to set things right. He wants what is best for us. He is angered by what hinders us in this regard.

Surely all sins provoke his wrath but there are five sins that especially cry out to heaven: Willful murder – [Gen. 4:10]; The sin of the Sodomites, [Gen. 18:20; 19:13]; The cry of the people oppressed, [Ex. 3:7-10]; The cry of the foreigner, the widow and the orphan, [Ex. 20:20-22]; Injustice to the wage earner. [Deut. 24:14-5; Jas. 5:4] (cf Catechism of the Catholic Church # 1867).

Thus, especially for these but also in terms of all sin and injustice and anything that afflicts or hinders the possibility of salvation, God has a wrathful indignation and a passion to set things right.

This is part of his love for us. His wrath may be manifest through punishments, disturbances of our conscience, or simply by allowing us to experience some or all the consequences of our sin and injustice.

2. Clarification: God’s wrath is not like our anger. In saying that God is angry we ought to be careful to understand that, however God experiences anger or any passion, it is not tainted by sin. God is not angry like we are angry. When we get angry we often experience an out of control quality, our temper flares and we often say and do things that are either sinful or at least excessive.

It cannot pertain to God to have temper tantrums and to fly off the handle, to admix anger with an unreasonable lashing out. The way God does experience anger is not something we can fully understand, but is it surely a sovereign and serene act of his will, not an out of control emotion.

3. Clarification: God is not moody. It does not pertain to God to have good days and bad days, good moods and bad ones. Scripture seems clear enough when it indicates that God does not change. Consider this from the Book of James 1:17 Every good and perfect gift comes from above, from the Father of lights, in whom there is no variableness or shadow of turning.

Hence to speak of God’s wrath does not mean that he has suddenly had enough, or that his temper has flared, or that his mood has soured. God IS. He does not change. As the text says, he is not variable. And this leads us to the next point.

4. Image: Given what we have said, the primary location of God’s wrath is not in God, it is in us. Perhaps the best definition I have heard of God’s wrath is this: God’s wrath is our experience of the total incompatibility of our sinful state before the Holiness of God. Sin and God’s holiness just don’t mix. They can’t keep company.

Think of fire and water. They do not mix. They cannot coexist in the same spot. Bring them together and you you can hear the conflict. Think of water spilled on a hot stove and hear the sizzle and popping and the steam as the water flees away. If, on the other hand there is a lot of water the fire is overwhelmed and extinguished . But the point is that they cannot coexist. They will conflict and one will win.

This is wrath, the complete incompatibility of two things. It is this way between sin and God’s utter holiness. We must be purified before we can enter the presence of God otherwise we could never tolerate his glory. We would wail and grind our teeth and turn away in horror. Thus wrath is the conflict between our sin and God’s holiness.

God cannot and will not change, so we must be changed. Otherwise we experience wrath. But notice the experience is in us primarily and not God. God does not change, he is holy, serene, he is love. If we experience his wrath it is on account of us, not him. Consider the next example.

5. Image: It is we who change, not God and this causes wrath to be experienced or not -Consider an example. On the ceiling of my bedroom is a light with a 100 watt light bulb. At night before bed, I delight in the light. I am accustomed to it. But then, at bed time, I put out the light and sleep. When I awake it is still dark (at least in the winter). Hence I put the light on. But Ugh! Grrr! Now the light is bright and I curse it!

Now mind you, the light has not changed one bit. It is still the same 100 watt bulb it was hours earlier. The light is just the same, it is I who have changed. But do you know what I do? I blame the light and say, “The light is harsh!” But the light is not harsh, it is just the same as when I was happy with it. Now that I have changed I experience its wrath but the wrath, the problem, is really in me.

So also consider the experience of the ancient family of man with God. Adam and Eve walked with God in the cool of the evening when the dew collected on the grass (cf Gen 3:8). They had warm friendship with him and did not fear his presence. After sin, they hide. Had God changed? He had not, they had and they now experience him very differently.

Fast forward to another Theophany. God has come to Mt Sinai and as he descends the people are terrified for there are peals of thunder, lightning, clouds and the loud blast of a trumpet. The people told Moses “You speak to us, but let not God speak, else we will die!” (Ex 20:19) God too warned Moses that the people could not get close lest his wrath be vented upon them (Ex 19:20-25).

Now again, had God changed? He had not. He was the same God who walked with them in the cool of the evening in a most intimate way. It was we who had changed. We had lost the holiness without which no one can see the Lord (Heb 12:14). The same God, unchanged though he was, now seemed to us frightening and wrathful.

6. What then shall we do? If we can allow the image of fire to remain before us, we may well find a hopeful sign in God’s providence. Since God is a holy fire, a consuming fire (cf Heb 12:26; Is 33:14) how can we possibly come into his presence? How can we avoid the wrath that would destroy us?

Well, what is the only thing that survives in the presence of fire? Fire is the only thing that survives! So it looks like we’d better become fire if we want to see God.

And thus it was that God sent tongues of fire upon the Apostles and us at our confirmation. God wants to set you and me on fire with the Holy Spirit and in holiness. God wants to bring us up to the temperature of glory so that we can stand in his presence:

See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the LORD Almighty. But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap. He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the LORD will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness, and the offerings of Judah and Jerusalem will be acceptable to the LORD, as in days gone by, as in former years. (Mal 3:1-4). And indeed Jesus has now come: For you have turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath. 1 Thess 1:10-11)

Time to become totally fire! Veni Sancte Spritus, tui amore ignem accende. (Come Holy Spirit, and kindle in us the Fire of thy Love)

So there is a wrath of God. As I have tried to show it is more in us than in God. But I will not say to you that there is NO wrath IN God. Scripture seems clear to indicate that wrath does pertain to God’s inner life. What exactly it is and how God experiences it is mysterious to us. We can say to some extent what it is not (as we did above) but we cannot really say what it is exactly. But far more rich is the meditation that the wrath of God is essentially in us. It is OUR experience of the incompatibility of sin before God. We must be washed clean in the Blood of the Lamb and purified. Most of us will need purification in purgatory too. But if we let the Lord work his saving work we are saved from the wrath for we are made holy and set on fire with God’s love. And fire never fears the presence of fire. God is Love but he will not change. So it is that Love must change us.

One of the greatest cinematic depictions of the Wrath of God occurred in the move the Raiders of the Lost Ark. The Nazi’s sinfully think they can open the Ark and endure the presence of God. What they get is wrath for sin cannot endure the reality of God’s presence. “Enjoy” this clip: CLICK HERE


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To: NYer

As abounding and incomprehensible as his love and grace are, so to is His wrath.

We revel and awe at His great love and grace in our daily lives but seldom realize that WE are falling short of realizing it all....because we just cant until we are in His presence.

Woe to the soul who is on the flip side of the coin !


21 posted on 08/16/2012 4:25:52 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: hosepipe; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
"God only has to let man’s cultures degenerate on their own.."

Yes . . . Sometimes known as entropy?

22 posted on 08/16/2012 5:43:09 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: betty boop
For He is the very Source of our being, the very Source of the Truth that permeates US and all His Creation....

One must be very blind and deaf, indeed, not to notice these facts.

Precisely so, dearest sister in Christ, thank you for your insights and encouragements!

23 posted on 08/16/2012 9:12:49 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: YHAOS; betty boop; hosepipe
God cannot be anthropomorphized. Words (in any language) describing God are no more than an approximation, and a rather distant approximation at that.

Indeed. As I recall, the Hebrew Name for God the Creator, Ayn Sof, literally means "no thing" the point being that any words man could use to describe God would limit him in the speaker's mind to whatever the word meant.

Thank you for sharing your insights, dear YHAOS!

24 posted on 08/16/2012 9:19:23 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: hosepipe; YHAOS; betty boop
Indeed, dear hosepipe. And I think YHAOS is onto something using the word "entropy" to describe the phenomena because when men try to ignore God - they have no rock, no source for objective truth. Without that anchor, their existence is meaningless.
25 posted on 08/16/2012 9:25:12 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; YHAOS; Whosoever

Whatever God is, he/she/it is...
Whether one, two or three or three thousand its all the same..
I cannot compute why “a God” would have gender.. actually..
Except to metaphorically relate to humans.. who do have gender..

Being able to relate to “God” is primary to having a “base”..
If somebody rejects the God concept, then they make themselves “a God”... by default..
The Hewbrew God has no name, but they do nickname him/it...
Actually Jesus name isn’t Jesus either.. nor does the Holy Spirit have a name..

I gave up trying to name God.. which could very well be “mocking” him/it..
Actually I don’t really know you people here either.. but I accept you..

I give God the freedom to be whoever the heck he wants to be.. God bless him/it..
Same with you posters here... God bless you too..
Heck God bless me as well...

That about covers my homily... - Pope Pipus I...


26 posted on 08/16/2012 9:53:45 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe
Thankfully, God announced His own Name!

And Moses said unto God, Behold, [when] I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What [is] his name? what shall I say unto them?

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. - Exodus 3:13-14

No matter what question enters my mind, His Name is the answer.


27 posted on 08/16/2012 10:03:48 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

[ And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: ]

The way I read that is “its none your business WHO I AM”...
Paraphrasing; “go tell them, he is what/who he is”.. thats who he is..

Pagan religions NEED a God with a name.. they need a name for their IDOL..
A real God don’t seem to need one.. I like that... I don’t have an IDOL..

That is if a human could remotely grasp or understand what God “IS” anyway..
I don’t think they(you, me, anybody) can.. I sure can’t..

I accept God on his own terms.. whatever they are..
Sure.. I have more faith than good sense.. its true..
Its taken a long time for me to get this dumb...


28 posted on 08/16/2012 10:15:54 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe; metmom; YHAOS

I would only add that I think there are some people still found in these aforementioned areas, Republican party, military, etc. that indeed still contain God-fearing Christians; far and few between mind you but a remnant. It would take a real short amount of time to create a very short list and indeed in some cases, the hypocrat party for instance, there may literally be NO ONE left...

And that should be a real wake-up call!


29 posted on 08/23/2012 8:58:48 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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