Well, obviously not everyone God created will love Him - I never said any differently. As to us having to have "this flesh age", I can only say two things:
1) This flesh age is the time of man existing upon earth starting with Adam and Eve and ending at the Great White Throne Judgment after which God creates a new heaven and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness (Revelation 21).
2) What is the name of the religion you follow? or is it part of just your thoughts?
I am guessing that Christians believe that Christ existed before He came to this flesh age as a babe? Seems like a natural 'guess', and as stated here that the 'children' us existed prior to our conception.
Yes, Christians DO believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that he is from everlasting to everlasting. He always was and always will be as the second person of the Trinity. He became a man - took on the form of a man - at the incarnation. It is spoken of in Hebrews 2 as well as several other passages. But, NO, I do not agree that "us" existed before conception nor from eternity simply because we are NOT God. We are created beings and that means we had a time where we began. The Son of God did not have a beginning. We are most certainly different. Jesus "shared" in our humanity so that his sinless life could be made a propitiation for our sins. By His death, he has redeemed us from an eternal death - separation from God for eternity.
AND that is what Paul is referencing when the words 'foundation of this world', is giving a time signature, because the words are actually a verb meaning the casting down - overthrow. AND Genesis 1:2 describes what happened to this earth in that rebellion or casting down - overthrow, before this flesh age began.
When Paul spoke of God choosing us before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4) it is NOT speaking about some preexistence of our souls but of God's foreknowledge and His foreordaining of what we were to become "holy and without blame before him in love". What you are saying sounds a little like the Mormon doctrine of preexisting souls that take on human form from "Father God" - who is populating the earth and who, at one time was also a man and is now exalted. Are you a Mormon?
We Christians know with certainty one thing, who is the victor when this 'mess' all gets sorted out. But as any loving Father/Mother have for their own flesh children it would take irrefutable proof to 'destroy' a child. Likewise, the Creator requires His own proof without question to destroy those that have no natural love for and of Him....
God knows the heart of every person, no outward proof need convince Him who are or are not His children. We are born again into the family of God when we accept the gift of eternal life by faith in Jesus Christ.
To say He already knows, who has that 'love' and who does not without total and complete understanding of WHO He literally is, says that God deliberately created 'evil', and I do not for one minute believe that is our Heavenly Father.
To say He already knows is stating the truth of what God, himself, has affirmed by His word. As for God creating evil, I would say he created the possibility for mankind and angels to chose evil. Giving of a free will allows that some will choose to reject the good. But we also know that "what is meant for evil, God meant for good", so nothing can supersede God's perfect will. I don't claim to understand how that happens, I just believe that is what God has said.
To me it is quite obvious that given the scenario of the Garden of Eden, there was Plan B.
I disagree. There is no need for a Plan B if you work all things according to your perfect will.
You turn things upside down, as if the potter were thought to be like the clay! Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, “You did not make me”? Can the pot say to the potter, “You know nothing”? (Isaiah 29:16)
“Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker, those who are nothing but potsherds among the potsherds on the ground. Does the clay say to the potter, ‘What are you making?’ Does your work say, ‘The potter has no hands’? Woe to the one who says to a father, ‘What have you begotten?’ or to a mother, ‘What have you brought to birth?’ (Isaiah 45:9-10)
When were all souls . sons of God created? Moses in writing down the Genesis creation account for the Heavenly Father said NOT one Word about the when of the creation of the souls. Yes the soul existed as per the Adam was not alive until the 'breath of life' means soul was breathed into his nostrils.
But yet planted right there in the Scripture is stated that in the midst of the Garden was the 'tree of life' and the 'tree of the knowledge of good and evil'. So the 'devil' who this tree of the knowledge of good and evil symbolizes existed before the formation of the Adam's flesh body.
I am Christian. Christ said take ye heed I have foretold you all things.... before one WORD of the so called NewTestament was ever placed on animal skins or plant fibers.
IT was a very tough discovery to find out that there is no mention of an apple orchard that Eve served up that sinful apple to her husband that I was taught in my childhood. So as I 'read' the WORD, I began to make a check list of all the lies, untruths, and deceptions I kept coming across that has infiltrated most of modern 'divisions' in Christianity.
Oh, lest I sound 'vain', I have discovered that I maybe have one thread of the whole cloth that is contained within God's HOLY WORD. So I don't have a particular denomination I am attached. AND God did give me a brain and He does expect it to be used.
Yes, Christians DO believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that he is from everlasting to everlasting. He always was and always will be as the second person of the Trinity. He became a man - took on the form of a man - at the incarnation. It is spoken of in Hebrews 2 as well as several other passages. But, NO, I do not agree that "us" existed before conception nor from eternity simply because we are NOT God. We are created beings and that means we had a time where we began. The Son of God did not have a beginning. We are most certainly different. Jesus "shared" in our humanity so that his sinless life could be made a propitiation for our sins. By His death, he has redeemed us from an eternal death - separation from God for eternity.
So is there a 'soul' manufacturing plant in heaven that every time an egg is fertilized God plugs in a freshly created soul?
Paul repeats for Christians what God had to say about Jacob and Esau. Jacob I loved and Esau I hated... Paul say that Esau was hated even before he was born having done good or bad.... paraphrasing of course, but IF required I will provide the Scripture from the so called old and new if necessary. Jeremiah was told that God knew him before he was ever placed in his mother's womb... Impossible to know something that did not already exist. Now if God knew Jeremiah before he was placed in his mother's womb, God also know every other soul He created.
This flesh age really does have so many blinded and held down by gravity.
When Paul spoke of God choosing us before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4) it is NOT speaking about some preexistence of our souls but of God's foreknowledge and His foreordaining of what we were to become "holy and without blame before him in love". What you are saying sounds a little like the Mormon doctrine of preexisting souls that take on human form from "Father God" - who is populating the earth and who, at one time was also a man and is now exalted. Are you a Mormon?
No I am not a Mormon. I am not interested in what a new age prophet wrote, IT takes all my available time to search and study those holy prophets that Christ and Paul continually quoted. How many times in the 'NEW' is the phrase 'foundation of the world' used? And by WHOM? It is a time signature of a specific event, and sometimes in the form of a verb, other times as a noun. Ephesians 1:4... Paul uses it specifically as a verb. Check it out, see what Strong's says.
I disagree. There is no need for a Plan B if you work all things according to your perfect will. You turn things upside down, as if the potter were thought to be like the clay! Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, “You did not make me”? Can the pot say to the potter, “You know nothing”? (Isaiah 29:16) “Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker, those who are nothing but potsherds among the potsherds on the ground. Does the clay say to the potter, ‘What are you making?’ Does your work say, ‘The potter has no hands’? Woe to the one who says to a father, ‘What have you begotten?’ or to a mother, ‘What have you brought to birth?’ (Isaiah 45:9-10)
I am NOT arguing with the Potter.