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To: Phinneous
I've found over the years that we all worry too much about these things we can't control. The Holy Spirit calls you to faith in Jesus. We can reason and argue till the cows come home and it really does no good. The Jews were chosen to bear witness to Jesus even if they don't believe themselves. Jesus was the fleshly image of God on Earth to be the blood sacrifice needed for forgiveness of sin.

If you really want to get on a Jew's nerves, ask them how their sins are forgiven for the last couple thousand years since the Temple was destroyed and they don't have their sacrifices anymore? If they are such sticklers for every jot and tittle of the Bible, then it seems they need to live as they did in 70AD. Jesus is found in every book of the Bible and fulfills every prophesy promised in each book. The guy in the film sound just like a Pharisee of old, and we know what Jesus thought of the church leaders back then, and it wasn't good. When Jesus was asked why He cured a sick person on the Sabbath, He explained it to them, but they still wanted to kill Him. Sorta reminds me of Muslims today. If you live by the Law, you will die by the Law. Just as on the first Pentecost 3000 were killed, on the Pentecost after Jesus sent the Holy Spirit, 3000 were saved. A Jew would just deny they were saved from their sin because they didn't have the Holy Spirit.

If anyone should have been hard to fool, it seems Saul/Paul would have been that man. He was educated and had zeal to obey the Torah. Yet he ended up writing most of the NT and suffered much for the work of Christ. Jesus NEVER suggested that we worship idols or other God's as the speaker suggested. He taught in the Synagogues and befuddled the teachers with His knowledge. I believe because I have faith. That faith comes from personal proof I have seen and heard with my own eyes. Everyone has to come to their own conclusions and you will never change a close heart. The Holy Spirit gives life to a dead person so they can see and hear. If you can't see and hear, you are still dead and speaking and showing will do nothing for a dead man. God calls whom He calls. My job is to testify of the good news and leave the hearing to the Spirit. Jesus fulfills all the requirements of Messiah, but if you don't want one, He will never fill the bill.

78 posted on 08/13/2012 2:54:34 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

“If you really want to get on a Jew’s nerves, ask them how their sins are forgiven for the last couple thousand years since the Temple was destroyed and they don’t have their sacrifices anymore?”

Why would that get on our nerves? Temple sacrifices are for when there is a temple. Did G-d allow Ezekiel, Daniel, Esther, Mordecai, and even Isaiah to die in exile with no temple and go to hell? They had no temple and offered no sacrifices.

Prayer, Repentance, Charity, Fasting all atone for sin. Plenty of scriptures available to show that.


93 posted on 08/13/2012 7:04:41 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: chuckles

This is why Jews are sticklers to Torah. You won’t get on a Torah-true Jew’s nerves asking about how their sins are forgiven—I understand where your comment comes from but it lacks understanding of Judaism, Jewish law, and philosophy. Just like we know Christians lose mountains of meaning by using translations. (someone already responded to how a Jew’s sins are forgiven...)
But in a broader sense, the purpose of the class I posted, was for Jews to learn why JC is no Jewish prophet. Since I’m sure the comments came a flyin’ before anyone listened—the answer is that all the miracles in the world mean nothing (except an ability to perform miracles) if the performer posits changing the Torah —adding or subtracting.

By the way, Jews save lives on the Sabbath-— I don’t know any Christian source beyond a passing interest in Revelations (around the time Damien Omen and other great horror movies came out). It’s not canonized for Jews and is never a proof for a Jew.

2 million Jews saw and heard, en mass, G-d at Mt. Sinai. No prophet of Jews would ever alter that (it’s in the class.)

HOWEVER— the good news is (in the forum’s new spirit of proselytizing;-) that G-d gave 7 commandments, objective commandments, to every non-Jew (christian, Budhist, Muslim et al). So I hereby re-rosthelytize to Jews to listen and then find your local Orthodox rabbi to attend a Torah class, and to non-Jews to learn about the 7 mitzvos (commandments) G-d expects of them (and tell a friend)— http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/Universal-Morality.htm


119 posted on 08/13/2012 10:05:29 AM PDT by Phinneous
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