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To: Rashputin; wmfights; ansel12
Rather than posting more of such contrived reality, RCs should just admit that they will not hear anything that disturbs their imagined Catholic purity and broadbrushing of Protestants. However, the evidence is against such.

And as some actually admit they will not read links that refutes them, here are some portions of such.

THEOLOGICAL VIEWS AND PRACTICES


69 posted on 08/10/2012 3:20:23 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute actual sinner, + trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
Poor widdle sing, lots of numbers that show how much American Catholics have become just like their Protestant neighbors accompanied by the pretense that the more conservative neighbors are correct just because they're mildly different in some statistical ways.

Let me make this really, really simple. The nifty neat "Evangelical Christian" crowd blather on about infant baptism and point out, "there's no example in the New Testament of an infant being baptized. Fine, now we apply the exact same criteria the the question ignored in that long list intended to change the subject away from my basic point. Where in the New Testament is there an example of any Christian using contraception?

You see, it's always the same. Either change the subject or apply a completly different standard to others than to yourself. Thanks for the statistics about how much American Catholics have become exactly like the rest of American society, though, it helps prove exactly the points I've made and does not one thing to prove anything the "Evangelical" crowd says is correct.

It does show that your typical Protestant will do anything they can to try and avoid the basic fact that their behavior is not based on the Bible but instead is based on what sells to their target market. It's always funny to see how people end up talking about how horrible Americans in general and a significant percentage of American Catholics are after someone starts a thread about, "Rome, Rome, Rome". Avoiding what The Church teaches and focusing on the behavior of Americans is exactly that, a way to avoid the fundamental questions.

The only way the Truth the Catholic Church has been teaching for two thousand years can be countered is by changing the subject, applying a different standard for yourself than you apply to what the Church teaches, or falling back on the Protestant favorite, "that's what the Bible says but that's not what it means". In the US, Brazil, and everywhere else Western "culture" gets a grip people put more value on an unencumbered sex life than on the lives of infants which means they're instantly attracted to the Protestant groups who all approve of contraception. Evangelicals target one market segment, other Protestants another segment, but none of them are anything other than vaguely or sometimes partially teaching Christianity. They're teaching the gospel of how to be a guilt free American hedonist. As I've said before, SBC churches are more likely to be struggling against going down the same road as everyone else, but they still don't teach the entire Truth as does The One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

Thanks again for the statistics, but I'm really looking forward to that verse I asked about, the New Testament example of a Christian using contraception. I'd also like one that shows Christ or the Apostles explaining why portions of the Septuagint are just fine for the next fifteen hundred years but should be thrown out by Luther, but that's another example of the double standard for another time.

71 posted on 08/10/2012 5:34:48 AM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: daniel1212; Rashputin; wmfights; ansel12
Catholic Latinos, overwhelmingly identify as Democratic, 57 percent to 15 percent. Religion and the 2008 Election: ^

Latino Evangelicals are 50% more likely than those who are Catholics to identify with the Republican Party, and are significantly more conservative than Catholics on social issues, foreign policy issues and even in their attitudes toward the plight of the poor. http://pewforum.org/surveys/hispanic

Latinos comprised 32 percent of all U.S. Catholics in 2008, versus to 20 percent in 1990. However, Catholic identification has slipped from 66 percent in 1990 to 60 percent in 2008. There has also been a significant rise in the number of Latinos who do not adhere to a religion. The longer a Latino has lived in the United States, the less likely he or she is to be Catholic. Study of Secularism in Society and Culture at Trinity College, http://theamericano.com/2010/03/18/new-report-on-u-s-latino-religious-identification/

• The percentage of of Protestants and Evangelicals rose from 1.28% in 1950 to close to 8% of the total population in 2010, (excluding so-called Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons). 5.2 million say they profess no religion. ^

• This decline is seen as extending across the region (Catholics represent between 55% to 73% in Central America, 70% in Brazil, 50% in Cuba and Uruguay).^

51% of Hispanic Evangelicals are converts, and 43% are former Catholics. ^

Thank you so much for posting facts for us to talk about.

A couple things jump out at me. Hispanics are increasing in their % of the RCC congregation in the USA, but even as they do this the % as a whole who identify with the RCC is declining. Hispanics who are Evangelical Christians are more conservative and are increasing in numbers. In Central and South America Hispanics are increasingly becoming Evangelical Christians which should lead to a growth in conservatism there. Also, as Hispanics in the USA become Evangelical Christians the dominance of the Rats in getting their votes should continue to decrease.

I know a lot of people don't want to face facts, but there they are. It seems pretty obvious that if the RCC were as conservative as its members claim you wouldn't see an increase in consrvatism among those who leave.

77 posted on 08/10/2012 8:05:23 AM PDT by wmfights
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