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To: Mr Rogers

Again and again you keep ignoring the pointedly and indisputably strong scriptural and traditional bases of the rebuttal to your arguments made by the Augustinian Club and then conclude that this is a “personal “ attack. No, it is not when you engage in theological arguments and then side step the rebuttal. How else should one conclude? You think by repeating yourself that Catholic teaching “contradict(s) the clear teaching of scripture” you make your case. Scriptural interpretation is not simply taking a piece of text form here and there and making you case. Against the flow of a 2000 year plus tradition of interpretation by some of the most illustrious scholars and early Church fathers, and converts to Catholicism like the brilliant minds of GK Chesterton and Cardinal St. Thomas Newman, you make sophomoric contrary claims and hold out your exegetical views as pre-eminent. This is risible if not for the fact that it relates to notions of eternal salvation.


58 posted on 08/05/2012 9:31:17 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

“Again and again you keep ignoring the pointedly and indisputably strong scriptural and traditional bases of the rebuttal to your arguments made by the Augustinian Club and then conclude that this is a “personal “ attack. No, it is not when you engage in theological arguments and then side step the rebuttal.”

I was calling this comment personal:

“If you are unable to appreciate the depth of these arguments just say so. Why not just admit that the explanations are well beyond your intellectual grasp.”

Frankly, the club you cite has its facts wrong. No, I do not read an e-bbok which doesn’t ever address my arguments. Nor do I wish to write from my personal knowledge an e-book in reply. I’ve spent hundreds of posts over the years discussing the Eucharist, Priests, the prohibition on vernacular translations, etc.

I refuse to take 8 hours to write out a point-by-point rejection of a cut & paste. If you have a specific objection to anything I wrote, please make it and I will respond.

” Against the flow of a 2000 year plus tradition of interpretation by some of the most illustrious scholars and early Church fathers, and converts to Catholicism like the brilliant minds of GK Chesterton and Cardinal St. Thomas Newman, you make sophomoric contrary claims and hold out your exegetical views as pre-eminent.”

My arguments are not sophomoric. I’m sorry your great minds and thinkers of incredible wisdom have been unable to show any reference to Christian Priests in the New Testament, nor explain away the book of Hebrews. With such brilliant minds, they ought to be able to show some reference to Purgatory, which, if true, would be a very powerful incentive to moral living. Yet there is none in the Old or New, and even the Apocrypha only has one slanting verse sort of indicating that maybe such a thing could exist.

Is the Apocrypha authoritative for doctrine? If not, the Paul says it isn’t scripture, but the Council of Trent refused to discuss the argument. It chose to leave it an open question, which in turn opens questions about its understanding of what is meant by scripture.


71 posted on 08/05/2012 12:24:20 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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