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To: Mr Rogers; The_Reader_David
The Deuterocannicals are unacceptable? To whom? The Canon (of which they are a part) itself was formed from books used in Liturgy. The Bible of the early Church always included books now called Deuterocanonical (called that just to distinguish them from the books found in the Masoretic text, and other books that are clearly outside of the canon -- it doesn't mean "non" canonical, anymore than "deuter-onomy" means "not" law. It just means a second collection.) Their canonicity was not doubted in the Church until it was challenged by Jews in the ongoing polemics. You will notice that as a rule, the Jews who reject the LXX also reject the whole New Testament.

Just offhand, I know the Western Church uses Wisdom, Sirach, and Maccabees Liturgically in the Lectionary, as well as Daniel 3:24-90, the Prayer of Azariah and the Song of the Three Hebrew Children. Don't know about the Eastern Church. Maybe The_Reader_David will tell us about that.

34 posted on 07/28/2012 6:04:00 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Eat Mor Chikin." - William Shakespeare, Mark Twain and/or the U.S. Constitution)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“The Deuterocannicals are unacceptable? To whom? “

What I wrote was:

“I think the point is that the Apocrypha was long considered unacceptable for matters of doctrine.”

To whom?

Most Catholic theologians prior to Trent, and quite a few afterward. Remember, the Council of Trent left THAT discussion open:

““This question was not only a matter of controversy between Catholics and Protestants: it was also the subject of a lively discussion even between Catholic theologians. St Jerome, that great authority in all scriptural questions, had accepted the Jewish canon of the Old Testament. Thc books of Judith, Esther, Tobias, Machabees, Wisdom and Ecclesiasticus, which the majority of the Fathers, on the authority of the Septuagint, treated as canonical, Jerome described as apocryphal, that is, as not included in the canon though suitable for the edification of the faithful…The general of the Franciscans Observant, Calvus, dealt thoroughly with the problems raised by Cajetan in a tract drawn up for the purposes of the Counci1. He defended the wider canon, and in particular the canonicity of the book of Baruch, the story of Susanna, that of Bel and the dragon, and the canticle of the three children (Benedicite). On the other hand, he refused to accept the oft-quoted Apostolic Canons as authoritative for the canonicity of the third book of Machabees. The general of the Augustinians, Seripando, on the contrary, was in sympathy with Erasmus and Cajetan and sought to harmonise their views with the Florentine decree on the ground that the protocanonical books of the Old Testament, as “canonical and authentic”, belong the the canon fidei, while the deuterocanonical ones, as “canonical and ecclesiastical books”, belong to the canon morum. Seripando, accordingly, follows the tendency which had made itself felt elsewhere also in pre-Tridentine Catholic theology, which was not to withhold the epithet “canonical” from the deuterocanonical books, yet to use it with certain restrictions.

The tracts of the two generals of Orders show that opinions diverged widely even within the Council. The prestige of the Augustinian general and that of the Bishop of Fano who sided with him, may have prompted Cervini to discuss the whole complex question in his class. It became evident that no one supported the subtle distinction between a canon fidei and a canon morum, though it met with a somewhat more favourable reception in the general congregation of 12 February when several of the Fathers deemed it useful, though not necessary. The majority agreed with the opinion of the general of the Servites, that controverted theological questions, which had already been the subject of discussion between Augustine and Jerome, should not be decided by the Council but should be allowed to remain open questions. The result of the above-mentioned vote of the general congregation of 15 February committed the Council to the wider canon, but inasmuch as it abstained from a theological discussion, the question of differences between books within the canon was left as it had been.”

Hubert Jedin, History of the Council of Trent, pgs 56-57

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Jedin


36 posted on 07/28/2012 6:49:57 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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