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To: stpio
Silly, “belief” is major, there’s “evidence” and “belief” for 2000 years~!!

I'm going to assume that you agree that the greek reads "one of the sabbaths".

Same old dear Douglas, repeating, and you asked so I gave you the Gospel verses but you don’t reply to the verses that show the Apostles were given the authority by Christ to change the Sabbath.

Nobody has the authority to changed a commandment of the Lord. They are laws of universe..immutable and unchangeable because they express the character of the Lord himself, love.

Our Lord arose from the dead on Sunday,

I disagree but the proof is beyond the scope of this post.

Pentecost happened on Sunday.

And God's other feast days (listed in Leviticus) can happen on any other day of the week....

John in Revelation tells us the Heavenly liturgy is celebrated on Sunday.

He tells us no such thing.

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,

"Sunday" is not used. Nor is "first day of the week". Biblically the only "Lord's day" is the sabbath of the Lord:

Mar_2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath."

Christ was affirming this:

Lev 23:2 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.
Lev 23:3 'Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:4 'These are the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times.

Note that it IS the sabbath of the Lord. The sabbath IS the Lord's day.

This is the meaning of “another day” in Hebrews 4:8-9. It happened brother.

No, it's not. This is referring to verse 7:

Heb 4:7 This is shown by the fact that God sets another day, which is called "Today." Many years later he spoke of it through David in the scripture already quoted: "If you hear God's voice today, do not be stubborn."

I used the Good News Bible to make the point...it's referring to the fact that David wrote "today" many years after Joshua. In verse 8 the author is making the point that in David's time there was "another day". It has nothing to do with a future disregard of the sabbath of the Lord.

135 posted on 07/26/2012 5:42:28 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

“I’m going to assume that you agree that the greek reads “one of the sabbaths.”

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You took almost every sentence of mine and separated them to comment with your reply. I prefer keeping someone’s post together, then comment underneath or replying to one sentence or two at time, per post.

There was one question I asked, you didn’t reply to, what is the name of your particular ecclesiastical community? It would help to understand your objections.

“Agree” I wish we could, Protestants are inconsistent in their beliefs except for one, they all agree to reject the true faith.

“One of the sabbaths”, doesn’t prove anything. You may think you made Scripture say what you want to believe by four words if that’s what they are? You spoke of “authority”, you have no authority to interpret Scripture and neither do I. God gave the Church, the RCC the authority to interpret Scripture. Before the Church canonized Scripture that every single non-Catholic privately interprets to their error causing more splits, the Apostles and the early Christians knew which day they assembled.

blessings,


136 posted on 07/26/2012 8:15:22 PM PDT by stpio (,)
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To: DouglasKC

Good News Bible:
4:7 This is shown by the fact that God sets another day, which is called “Today.” Many years later he spoke of it through David in the scripture already quoted: “If you hear God’s voice today, do not be stubborn.”

4:8 If Joshua had given the people the rest that God had promised, God would not have spoken later about another day.

“I used the Good News Bible to make the point...it’s referring to the fact that David wrote “today” many years after Joshua. In verse 8 the author is making the point that in David’s time there was “another day”. It has nothing to do with a future disregard of the sabbath of the Lord.”

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No offense, your point doesn’t make sense, the Douay-Rheims Bible, a word for word translation of the Latin Vulgate, the first Bible, says Jesus is written in Hebrews 4:8. Look at the difference, the Good News Bible has changed a couple of words. I have to ask, you do accept Our Lord has always been God? Jesus was God in David’s time too.

Douay-Rheims Bible:
4:7 Again he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, Today, after so long a time, as it is above said: Today if you shall hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

4:8 For if JESUS had given them rest, he would never have afterwards spoken of another day.

footnote - Jesus: Josue, who in Greek is called Jesus. http://www.drbo.org/


138 posted on 07/26/2012 11:46:26 PM PDT by stpio (,)
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To: DouglasKC

John in Revelation tells us the Heavenly liturgy is celebrated on Sunday.

“He tells us no such thing.”

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It is interesting to note that St. Paul had spent a week with the community in Troas (Acts 20:6), and this is the only reported time that he celebrated the “breaking of bread” with them. Also no remarks are made later in this passage that St. Paul disapproved of their worship on Sunday. One would expect St. Paul to object to this practice, if it were rooted in paganism.

Already in the Old Testament, God expresses disappointment over the Hebrew Sabbath (Isa. 1:13) In the New Testament, St. Paul writes:

Therefore let no one pass judgement on you in questions of food or drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. [Col. 2:16-17]

According to these verses, the Hebrew diet, festivals and Sabbaths are NO LONGER obligations for Christians. These were only a foreshadowing of things to come in Christ. The focus now is Christ (2 Cor. 3:7-17). Elsewhere St. Paul told the Corinthians to contribute money to the Church each Sunday (1 Cor 16:1-2). This would be a strange request, if Christians assembled on Saturdays. Hebrews 4:8 speaks of “ANOTHER DAY” because the former Sabbath was not obeyed. If Saturday were truly “carved in stone”, then it would be strange to speak of another day. According to Rev. 1:10, St. John “was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day.” This is the ONLY PLACE IN THE BIBLE where the phrase “THE LORD’S DAY” occurs. If his vision occurred on Saturday, St. John would have written “THE SABBATH” instead of using a NEW PHRASE.


139 posted on 07/26/2012 11:54:47 PM PDT by stpio (,)
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