Posted on 07/14/2012 3:33:27 PM PDT by Gillibrand
Announcement due tomorrow. There is no return to Rome. The superior of the Lefebvrists of Spain and Portugal, Juan Maria Montagut, will communicate to the faithful, after the mass of 11, that the hierarchy of the FSSPX, gathered in Ecône, have decided to say "no" to the Vatican.
The followers of Lefebvre will not return to the Roman fold. Primarily, because they are not willing to accept the Second Vatican Council in all its extremes.
(Excerpt) Read more at cathcon.blogspot.com ...
The jury is still out on the repatriation of the SSPX...so keep saying those Rosary’s.
“For a Protestant to quote Bob Sungenis as “a leading Roman Catholic apologist” ... let’s just say you damage your own credibility more than I ever could.”
The context of quoting Sungenis was that of criticism of the pope by traditional-type Catholics, and i should have said he was such an apologist (though not a Sedevacantist).
Sugenis has indeed undergone a type of metamorphosis in the past couple years, and while he is now a rather radical sensationalist, i think he likely still has a substantial following among traditionalists who are likewise quite critical of post V2 Roman Catholicism.
And though Sugensis still engages in apologetics, he wrote in 2011,
“Although some still regard me as a “Catholic apologist,” unlike Jimmy Akin and Catholic Answers I no longer consider myself an apologist for the modern Catholic Church. When compared to the Catholic Church of tradition, I have resolved that the modern Catholic Church will be required to stand on its own, for I simply cannot defend it any longer. There are simply too many doctrinal aberrations and moral laxities in today’s Catholic Church that are indefensible. In light of these problems, I have assumed what I believe is the more appropriate position - that of being a prophet of warning rather than one an apologist seeking to exonerate the Church from false accusations. Today many accusations against the Church are quite legitimate and I certainly will not be a party to sweeping them under the rug. Hence, I presently take my model from that of Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel and all the other prophets who spoke out against similar doctrinal aberrations and moral laxities that occurred in Israel before God finally judged them. I believe that if the modern Catholic Church stays on the course it has chosen, it also will be judged by God as Israel was, and, in fact, it is already being judged as we have seen the deterioration in the Church for the last few decades. I’m sorry to have to say this, but from all my knowledge and experience, I would have to say that the last few pontificates have been an almost total disaster for the Catholic Church, especially the pontificate of John Paul II. (http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=4581)
Radical for sure, though it seems many sympathize with him.
But you can keep your book, as while one can get very deep in details, it was not very complicated to be born again and walk in faith in Scripture.
“The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. “ (Psalms 34:18)
“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. “ (Acts 10:43)
“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. “ (Romans 10:9-10)
“Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. “ (Matthew 10:32)
“And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. “ (Acts 8:36-37)
In answer to your last question: Absolutely not!
So if the muslims are mistaken in that, why does Nostra Aetate continue on with the heretical statement that the muslims"together with us (Catholics) they adore..."
"Together" is the keyword that you ignore, Campion. Catholics adore God correctly; muslims don't. Catholics and muslims therefore cannot adore God together.
(Except maybe when a pope kisses a Koran or takes off his shoes in a mosque; then they really are adoring together)
There is a difference between personal sin and teaching error. Popes have not taught error.
I disagree with the above ascertation.
Popes can definitely teach error when not speaking ex cathedra and they have done so.
Why do you use the term ascertation? Is this because the facts underlying the assertion in question have in fact been ascertained?
“Come back to the Catholic Church. If there isn’t a parish near you that offers the EF Mass, see if you can get one started.”
Thanks for the invite, but I’ve never left it. I encourage you, however, to extend you invitation to Protestansts, Jews, and all others. Cheers!
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.