To: The Unknown Republican; fabian
Otherwise how do you explain Romans 7:15?
Quite simply, Romans Chapter 7 describes the plight and condition of a man becoming aware of his sinfulness as God seeds his life and then earnestly struggling against that sin with all his might, with the emphasis on his human might, until he grows weary and understands that he cannot change any of the sinfulness of his life that he is undone and he needs a savior.
In order to truly understand in context Romans Chapter 7, you have to read Romans chapter 8:1-16 as those scripture verses show that this same man now turns to Christ as his Savior and believes the Gospel and submits to Gods plan of salvation. As Romans Chapter 8 shows, that man who was once struggling with his sin is now free of that struggle because the Grace of God has no taken over and control of his life and God seals this Change of the heart of this sinner with a witness of his Holy Spirit to his spirit that he is a child of God.
This is the real power of the Gospel, both the forgiveness and the power to sin no more as long as we remain by faith trusting in Jesus Christ. Without this, our Christianity is nothing more than a mere religion no better than any other religion. With this, the promise contained in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is attained, the salvation of men's soul.
Romans 8:1-16
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
25 posted on
07/12/2012 5:42:28 PM PDT by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
To: SoConPubbie
Romans Chapter 8 in no way says that we no longer sin. It states that we are now made clean in the eyes of God. The flesh is always sinful...but the Grace of God blots that out from his sight due to the sacrifice of Jesus. As believers we desire to be sinless, but we are incapable of lacking sin due to the fact that we are still in the flesh.
We are not sinless...that is blaspheme. What we are is forgiven. You make a very dangerous read of Scripture and I hope you repent for I’m afraid you do not fully grasp the plan of Salvation if you think you are without sin.
To: SoConPubbie
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
mortify
1. causing to feel shame or chagrin or vexation
2. causing awareness of your shortcomings
Any one who has not the spirit has no shame for some things they may do they might even brag about, they do not think it is wrong because they do not believe.
But the believers can not get by with this because their Spirit shames them, makes them aware, they can not feel good about it.
What would be the reason for verse 13 if believers did not sin?
To: SoConPubbie
In order to truly understand in context Romans Chapter 7, you have to read Romans chapter 8:1-16 as those scripture verses show that this same man now turns to Christ as his Savior No sale. Both chapters are written in the present tense.
96 posted on
07/14/2012 9:21:09 PM PDT by
JustSayNoToNannies
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