Posted on 07/11/2012 5:53:57 AM PDT by Colofornian
IOW, more lying for the Lord.
SOP for the LDS
I am not interested nor do I care what you or anyone like you has to say about anything at all.
Do not post to me again, LEAVE ME ALONE.
Get back in the kitchen woman.
To the extent that this discussion is about Romney, I don't think his (in my opinion quirky) faith is relevant to his suitability for the White House. I'd have no problem voting for any of the responsible, conservative, patriotic Catholics I know, and the same is true for Jews, Baptists, and a variety of other religious views that are different from my own. So long as he's not going to call the President of the LDS Church for guidance on running our country, what matters is how he makes decisions, and Romney seems adequate in that respect. He governs well to the left of where I think is appropriate or even acceptable, and his political views and record are completely relevant to the voting decision. Details on his views of the afterlife, views that have no relevance to the job? I can't imagine why any rational person would care when deciding on political office. Why would Romney's faith be a political issue if there is no evidence in Romney's very long public life that LDS beliefs have adversely affected his performance in office?
To the extent that this discussion is about the LDS Church, Mormons, or as a few posters like to type, "mormonISM", I don't see why Romney's political candidacy is relevant. If you find the LDS Church so quirky that you don't want your kids to convert, or to marry into that church, I'm okay with that. Why introduce politics into that unrelated discussion?
Don,t read my last post, i was lost.
Fine, you stay home and hand your vote to the commie. If he wins you can stand proudly as what is left of America crumbles around you. But hey, no big deal because you stood by your beliefs even if it did cost your kids, grandkids and all your friends children their future.
Unless of course you do not really believe Obama is so bad. Is that the case? Do you actually believe Romney is even 1/10000 as bad as the Marxist?
Funny. Hilarious. Obama was never vetted in the manner the writer deleriously envisons. Not by the mainstream media, for certain. It was only a concern for conservatives and those who have a better-than-average variety in their consumption of news sources. And, the import of Obama's potential religious influence was widely suppressed.
Any furtherance of the writer's postulation regarding Romeny is then suspect. If we (you) want to castigate him for his LDS background, don't couch it in the guise of a legitimate examination of fantasy '08 vetting that did not occur.
It's nice to see a rational voice.
Romney has already done that.
Oh, I type mormonISM sometimes, because there are those who have a really hard time telling the difference between discussing mormonISM and mormons, for reasons known only to them they equate the two.
It appears you that you may know little of mormonism, Romney is who he is because of his belief in mormonism, not in spite of it.
Romney and his family are part of the hierarchy of the SLC lds structure, everything they do is grounded in that first and foremost, which is why Romney's mormonISM is important.
You can say that again and again.
I'm not a fan of Romney because of his big government liberalISM, which I see as a major flaw in Candidate Romney. I have looked at his record in MA carefully, and it's clear to me that he sees an expansive role for government in our lives. I have no problem with those who oppose Romney because of his political views and record. I'm just confused about the relevance of his faith. Can you give me one example of how his faith adversely affected his performance as governor?
I just want to be fair and balanced...
The Elephant in the Room: 0bama’s Muslim Faith [Which is why one-third still don't know he's Muslim]
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Just a quick question, why is that you apparently believe that people who are not supporting Romney are supporting BHO, there is no correlation.
Why is it that you apparently beleive, that a person not supporting Romney is not voting in the general election, there is no rationale to that premise.
Adversely, would actually depend on your point of view.
If you are leaning liberal, there would have been no adverse effect.
If you are leaning conservative, nearly everything he did as governor had an adverse effect.
His faith, his mormonism, how he governed are in alignment with each other, it is up to you to draw your own conclusions.
Your post sounds kind of personal..again.
Please explain why you call my posts an "irrational religious bias". Irrationally does not enter into the factual information that I have posted, in fact, IMO it seems a little irrational that if you find it disturbing you wouldn't just ignore it.
That said, please go through my "saved" posts and illustrate the items that you can refute, with source links please.
In the meantime on the subject of "irrationality", you might want to ponder on whether Mitt would disclaim the following given his stance that he stands behind his deep belief in mormonism.
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Those who say that in this country one's religion should be relegated to his private life alone and never be allowed to "intrude" on his public activities should study the Founding Fathers. This nation has a spiritual foundation. Its wellsprings are themselves religious. Its life is deeply rooted in faith.
When I became President of the Twelve and Spencer W. Kimball became President of the Church, we met, just the two of us, every week after our Thursday meetings in the temple, just to be sure that things were properly coordinated between the Twelve and the First Presidency. After one of those first meetings, we talked about the many sacred documents in some of the older temples. St. George was mentioned in particular because St. George is our oldest temple in Utah. I had a stake conference down there about that time, and it was agreed that I would go into the archives -- the walk-in vault -- of that great temple and review the sacred documents that were there. We were planning for the remodeling and renovating of the St. George Temple and thought that the records might possibly be moved to Salt Lake for safekeeping. And there in the St. George Temple I saw what I had always hoped and prayed that someday I would see. Ever since I returned as a humble missionary and first learned that the Founding Fathers had appeared in that temple, I wanted to see the record. And I saw the record. They did appear to Wilford Woodruff twice and asked why the work hadn't been done for them. They had founded this country and the Constitution of this land, and they had been true to those principles. Later the work was done for them.
In the archives of the temple, I saw in a book, in bold handwriting, the names of the Founding Fathers and others, including Columbus and other great Americans, for whom the work had been done in the house of the Lord. This is all one great program on both sides of the veil. We are fortunate to be engaged in it on this side of the veil. I think the Lord expects us to take an active part in preserving the Constitution and our freedom.
The Founding Fathers of this nation, those great men, appeared within those sacred walls of the St. George Temple and had their vicarious work done for them. President Wilford Woodruff spoke of it in these words: "Before I left St. George, the spirits of the dead gathered around me, wanting to know why we did not redeem them. Said they, `You have had the use of the Endowment House for a number of years, and yet nothing has ever been done for us. We laid the foundation of the government you now enjoy, and we never apostatized from it, but we remained true to it and were faithful to God.'"
After he became President of the Church, President Wilford Woodruff declared that "those men who laid the foundation of this American government were the best spirits the God of heaven could find on the face of the earth. They were choice spirits [and] were inspired of the Lord."
The temple work for the fifty-six signers of the Declaration of Independence and other Founding Fathers has been done. All these appeared to Wilford Woodruff when he was president of the St. George Temple. President George Washington was ordained a high priest at that time. You will also be interested to know that, according to Wilford Woodruff's journal, John Wesley, Benjamin Franklin, and Christopher Columbus were also ordained high priests at that time. When one casts doubt about the character of these noble sons of God, I believe he or she will have to answer to the God of heaven for it. Yes, with Lincoln I say: "To add brightness to the sun or glory to the name of Washington is . . . impossible. Let none attempt it. In solemn awe pronounce the name and in its deathless splendor, leave it shining on."
Source: Benson, Ezra Taft, Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson. Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1988. 602 - 604.
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Ezra Taft Benson was the thirteenth president (Prophet) of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) from 1985 until his death and was United States Secretary of Agriculture for both terms of the presidency of Dwight D. Eisenhower.
This fable was recorded more recently in 1989 in the LDS Church News
I believe there is no difference between Romney or Obama politically and the facts bear that out.
I put my allegiance to God over everything and I will not stand before God and explain why I violated everything I believe in and voted for a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage man who spits on the Sacrifice of Christ.
I have not intention of staying home, I never did. I will vote as I have every single election (and primary) since I was 18. But I will NEVER vote for either Mitt Romney or Obama.
Go ahead and cave, throw away your principles and faith (if you have any) and vote for Mitt - a man who has shown he does nothing but lie and is a liberal through and through.
I will not buy the fear mongering and betray my faith or my conservative values.
You are the type who would renounce Christ if it would save your skin.
How many times until you get it would be the question...
I have known a lot of Mormons, most of whom were very conservative. Republicans carried Utah in 2008 by a 28% margin, in 2004 by 41%, and in 2000 by 40%. I don't see any of the stupid liberal things Romney did in MA as distinctly Mormon. My concern is for his liberalism.
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