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THE TOP TEN MOST SURPRISING 'MORMON TEACHINGS' ABOUT MORMON HEAVEN and AFTER-LIFE [Vanity]
Colofornian | July 4, 2012 | Colofornian

Posted on 07/04/2012 2:04:01 PM PDT by Colofornian

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To: Elsie

I am SICKENED, JUST SICKENED!


81 posted on 07/06/2012 8:52:35 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Utah Binger
 
He said the mask looked like something out of “Uncle Tom’s Cabin.”

“It’s like white men years ago” who would dress in blackface, he added.

 


How many years? 34?





"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

82 posted on 07/06/2012 8:52:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Utah Binger
Shouldn't you be outside; watering your trees?

It's 98° here and high humidity.

I'm waiting for the shadow of the barn to shift so I can braze up holes in my tractor gas tank.

(Yes; I've flushed the gas out and rinsed it quite well with water...)

83 posted on 07/06/2012 8:57:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
How to do it:
 
It's 98° here and high humidity.
 
 
It's 98&deg here and high humidity.

84 posted on 07/06/2012 8:59:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Well and truly stated. And succinct!


85 posted on 07/06/2012 9:00:10 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Elsie

We are overcast with the smoke from the fire up at Todds Junction where 14 meets 89. It is hovering just up on top above Glendale with about 8000 acres still burning.

http://fox13now.com/2012/07/01/evacuations-ordered-in-kane-co-fire/

It is 60 degrees right now and really smoky.


86 posted on 07/06/2012 9:06:36 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Colofornian
RE knowing the nature of God, and the path to salvation, you wrote: "Apparently you do -- and, apparently, ONLY you!"

That's a stretch too far, my FRiend. I was of course including myself in the group of "everyone" who does not actually know these things, or more accurately to the original post, in the group of "no one" who actually knows these things. I would go so far as to say, YOU are the one who seems to be saying you DO know these mysteries, and you are "lecturing" and criticizing ME because I don't agree with your view?

That's a pointless and unprovable argument, so shall we just call a "truce", please? We both believe we know what we think we know or don't know, and there is no reason for disrespect on either side!

87 posted on 07/06/2012 11:14:15 AM PDT by 88keys (we had better get our act together, or Obama's re-elected...)
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To: Colofornian

Yawn


88 posted on 07/06/2012 11:27:19 AM PDT by cerberus
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To: Elsie
I appreciate your thoroughness in posting all these Scriptures. Which translation of the Bible do you use?

You are free to criticize, preach, disagree with, or say whatever you want to to any of your fellow FReepers as long as it's not profane, of course! In response to your post, a few scriptures come to mind to me too (I can look up the exact quotes and citations if you need them)..."Judge not, lest ye be judged"..."Now we see as in a mirror, dimly"..."I give you a new commandment"..."the time is not yours to know" (referring to the coming of the Kingdom of God)..."In my Father's house, there are many mansions"...

My point is, people who should be more or less on the same side should not waste time arguing amongst themselves about personal individual religious beliefs when the country is going to "Heck" (as you would say) in a handbasket!

This thread was originally in "breaking news/activism", which is how I wound up here in the first place...by mistake, clearly, and I will be more careful in future!

89 posted on 07/06/2012 11:40:20 AM PDT by 88keys (we had better get our act together, or Obama's re-elected...)
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To: Utah Binger

I just came in from being fruatrated at all my brazing work CRACKING and leaking!

It is 101°.


90 posted on 07/06/2012 12:15:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cerberus
Yawn

YAPRFAMA


Yet
Another
Profound
Rebuttal
From
A
MORMON
Apologist.

91 posted on 07/06/2012 12:18:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: 88keys
Which translation of the Bible do you use?

Any one that's handy.

NIV mostly, because it is quite readable.

KJV when remembering the beauty of the English language (and the way I studied it LONG ago.)

92 posted on 07/06/2012 12:20:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: 88keys
)..."Judge not, lest ye be judged"..."

(I can look up the exact quotes and citations if you need them)

This must be the favorite verse of those who do n ot want their doctrine looked at too closely.

I'm QUITE sure you are aware of the OTHER verse that speak of judging; right?

But maybe their are some lurkers who are NOT familiar with them.

So...

Judge NOT???
 
Sigh............
 

 
Jesus has commanded us to judge!
 

“Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?... And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?... Do you not know that we shall judge angels?... How much more, things that pertain to this life?.. If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge ? (1 Corinthians 6:1-5).


Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment.


“But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us” (2 Thessalonians 3:6).

“And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother” (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15).

“Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself” (2 Timothy 6:2b-5).

“Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple” (Romans 16:17,18).


All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheep’s skin.

We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so.


 “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.  (John 7:24).

93 posted on 07/06/2012 12:23:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: 88keys
My point is, people who should be more or less on the same side should not waste time arguing amongst themselves about personal individual religious beliefs when the country is going to "Heck" (as you would say) in a handbasket!

The same POLITICAL side, perhaps; but a great gulf fixed in another.

I worry about souls going to HELL and NOT in a handbasket.

When 'personal religious beliefs' amount to HERESY of Christianity; I damrn sure will be speaking up about it!

94 posted on 07/06/2012 12:28:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
Yet Another Profound Rebuttal From A MORMON Apologist.

I am not rebutting anything.

Obviously he believes a lot of things that I consider silly as do most politicians.

I just see people with rigid and questionable notions upset by others with equally rigid and questionable notions and, frankly, I don't give a crap.

By the way, this is in no way an endorsement of Romney though I do expect to take a "pragmatic" approach and vote for him.

95 posted on 07/06/2012 12:36:57 PM PDT by cerberus
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To: cerberus
I just see people with rigid and questionable notions upset by others with equally rigid and questionable notions and, frankly, I don't give a crap.

Yet here you are; wasting your time.

96 posted on 07/06/2012 2:20:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Utah Binger

it’s 103; I’m tanked up with ice cream and a large ice water and I’m heading out to try to patch the darn gas tank some more!


97 posted on 07/06/2012 2:22:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Have you tried JB Weld?


98 posted on 07/06/2012 2:34:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Elsie; Colofornian; svcw; colorcountry; Tennessee Nana
)..."Judge not, lest ye be judged"..."

I have to laugh every time the mormon defenders throw this one out. In my personal experience, having been born mormon, raised mormon, married mormon and left mormonism I testify that mormons on the whole are the MOST judmental group of people I have ever encountered!

They are also the most thin-skinned group whenever their superior attitude of belonging to the "only true and living church" is refuted....they howl like scalded cats!

99 posted on 07/06/2012 2:42:16 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Go way. Just go away.


100 posted on 07/06/2012 2:43:39 PM PDT by yetidog
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