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To: wolf78

Remember that we’re talking Germany here, not the USA (well, San Francisco comes close to the former); they’re quite against Scientology themselves (which would be excusable) as well as this particular Jewish practice that is not exclusive to Judaism (and that’s not excusable one whit).

I’ve read Germany’s basic law, and none of their freedoms are freedoms; they all provide for exceptions, which IMHO ought to be grounds for accusing them of breach of the peace after WWII as well as breach of terms of surrender. So don’t think that the Constitutional Court would necessarily strike these decisions of lower courts down.


25 posted on 07/03/2012 5:14:54 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Remember that we’re talking Germany here, not the USA

If one wants to, one can always find some outrageous laws to spin a narrative. E.g.: the laws regarding drinking in public in the US are blatantly anti-freedom. The municipal by-laws of some communities (down to the sort of grass you have to use for your lawn) are outright fascist.

I’ve read Germany’s basic law, and none of their freedoms are freedoms.

Please, elaborate. I think it would be fascinating to discuss the specific clauses.

... they all provide for exceptions.

I think I know what you mean. The Basic law contains sentences like "In diese Rechte darf nur auf Grund eines Gesetzes eingegriffen werden." (~ Exceptions can be made if based on a law).

They refer to things like eminent domain (vs. right to property), libel / slander (vs. freedom of speech) or the use of force when apprehending criminals. All things that exist in the US as well (e.g. "not without due process" in the US constitution).

which IMHO ought to be grounds for accusing them of breach of the peace after WWII as well as breach of terms of surrender.

At least since 1990 (Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany - in lieu of a peace treaty) that is completely irrelevant.

So don’t think that the Constitutional Court would necessarily strike these decisions of lower courts down.

As I said, I base my assessment on the court's history in religious cases. I might be wrong. Coram iudice et in alto mari sumus in manu Dei. Before a judge and on high sea we are in the hands of God. Would be interesting if the US supreme court had to hear such a case.
98 posted on 07/04/2012 2:18:32 AM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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