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To: mountn man
Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. ...Romans10:13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED.”

"No maybe
No might be
SHALL BE

So says Paul. God says something very different. Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

132 posted on 07/01/2012 11:08:22 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
Romans10:13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED.”

Acts 2:21 ‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’

Now the Book of Acts is believed to be written by Luke. Where would Luke get that viewpoint from?

But lets look further, in context.

Acts 2:14 But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven, raised his voice and declared to them: “Men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you and give heed to my words. 15 For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only the third hour of the day; 16 but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: 17 ‘ And it shall be in the last days,’ God says, ‘That I will pour forth of My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams; 18 Even on My bondslaves, both men and women, I will in those days pour forth of My Spirit And they shall prophesy. 19 ‘And I will grant wonders in the sky above And signs on the earth below, Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke. 20 ‘The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood, Before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come. 21 ‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’

So we have Luke, an Apostle, quoting Peter, an Apostle. Both eye/ear witnesses to Jesus' teachings.

IF Peter would have been wrong, I'm sure Luke would have corrected him, or left what Peter said out.

BUT...we need to look at something else. Acts 2:16 but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel:

So now we go to Joel 2

28 “ It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions. 29 “Even on the male and female servants I will pour out My Spirit in those days. The Day of the Lord 30 “I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth, Blood, fire and columns of smoke. 31 “The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood Before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. 32 “And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord Will be delivered;

SO we have Paul, who you don't like.

We have Luke an Apostle, quoting Peter, an Apostle and Peter quoting Joel, a prophet of God. And a prophet had pretty strict requirements.

Oh yes...Acts 2:17 ‘ And it shall be in the last days,’ God says, ‘That I will pour forth of My Spirit on all mankind;

So...Luke, who is quoting Peter, who is quoting Joel, and Peter says 'God says...'

So cutting to the chase, Peter says 'God says', and by Luke writing this, agrees with Peter.

Here is David
Psalm 116:13 I shall lift up the cup of salvation And call upon the name of the Lord.

Now, as far as Paul veracity.

Paul claims his apostleship
Romans 1: 1 Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God

Galatioans 11 Paul, an apostle ( not sent from men nor through the agency of man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead), 2 and all the brethren who are with me,

Now about his knowledge of salvation
11 For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

15 But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, was pleased 16 to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood, 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went away to Arabia, and returned once more to Damascus. 18 Then three years later I went up to Jerusalem to become acquainted with Cephas, and stayed with him fifteen days. 19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord’s brother. 20 (Now in what I am writing to you, I assure you before God that I am not lying.) 21 Then I went into the regions of Syria and Cilicia. 22 I was still unknown by sight to the churches of Judea which were in Christ; 23 but only, they kept hearing, “He who once persecuted us is now preaching the faith which he once tried to destroy.” 24 And they were glorifying God because of me.

So Paul didn't receive the Gospel through men, but through direct Revelation from Christ. 3 years later, AFTER preaching to others, he goes to Jerusalem and meets with Peter and James, Jesus' brother. 2 who would have knowledge and authority to refute Pauls message.

Also in Acts 13: 2 While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3 Then, when they had fasted and prayed and laid their hands on them, they sent them away. 4 So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia and from there they sailed to Cyprus. 5 When they reached Salamis, they began to proclaim the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews; and they also had John as their helper. 6 When they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they found a magician, a Jewish false prophet whose name was Bar-Jesus, 7 who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God. 8 But Elymas the magician (for so his name is translated) was opposing them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. 9 But Saul, who was also known as Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, fixed his gaze on him, 10 and said, “You who are full of all deceit and fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease to make crooked the straight ways of the Lord? 11 Now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you will be blind and not see the sun for a time.” And immediately a mist and a darkness fell upon him, and he went about seeking those who would lead him by the hand.

So...according to the author of Acts, Paul was called and sent AND FILLED by the Holy Spirit.

And yet YOU, with no first hand knowledge dare to doubt Pauls authority.

Peter never doubted it.

First and second century church fathers, who had first and second hand accounts from the Apostles themselves, of Christs Gospel were the ones who kept Pauls writings. IF these church fathers had a problem with Pauls teachings, they never would have made it in todays Bible.

Amazing that 2000 years ago, church fathers kept 4 accounts of Christ, given to them by others than Christ. They also esteemed Pauls teachings, even the ones "scolding" them.

And yet YOU, with no first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth or even SIXTIETH hand account, have the AUDACITY to discount Pauls teaching.

By what authority or revelation do you come by this???

You claim superior wisdom and knowledge than those who were actually there???

Maybe you just feel that the 4 Gospels are the only authoritative books. Why is that? Jesus didn't write them. In fact Luke, who wrote the book of Luke, is believed to have wrote the book of Acts.

Or maybe you just cut out everything from the Gospels except for the quotes of Christs words. If thats the case, how do you know the authors were accurate?

So...How do YOU decide what is authentic and truthful in the Bible?

161 posted on 07/02/2012 7:41:57 PM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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