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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“let’s see:

Acts 2
Acts 8
Acts 10
Acts 16
Acts 18
Acts 22”

2 - Nope. Do you really think the Apostles baptized each other on Pentecost? And there is no indication the ones who followed by believing received the Holy Spirit at baptism instead of before.

8 - Nope.

There is no indication in chapter 8 of water baptism resulting in the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and it is specifically rejected in one passage.

“14 Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John, 15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit.”

10 - Nope. Cornelius receives the Holy Spirit, and THEN was baptized with water.

“Then Peter declared, 47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized...”

16 - Nope. There is no indication of when any of those who converted in that chapter received the Holy Spirit. There IS this:

“30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household...And he rejoiced along with his entire household that he had believed in God.”

That would make Paul & Silas liars in your theology!

18 - I’ll assume you are NOT refering to this:

“8 Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed in the Lord, together with his entire household. And many of the Corinthians hearing Paul believed and were baptized.”

That would hardly support baptism as the means of receiving forgiveness and life.

So which passage are you referring to?

22 - I assume you refer to this again:

“12 “And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, well spoken of by all the Jews who lived there, 13 came to me, and standing by me said to me, ‘Brother Saul, receive your sight.’ And at that very hour I received my sight and saw him. 14 And he said, ‘The God of our fathers appointed you to know his will, to see the Righteous One and to hear a voice from his mouth; 15 for you will be a witness for him to everyone of what you have seen and heard. 16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’”

But that refers back to what happened in Acts 9:

“17 So Ananias departed and entered the house. And laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road by which you came has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 And immediately something like scales fell from his eyes, and he regained his sight. Then he rose and was baptized; 19 and taking food, he was strengthened.”

Please note that regaining sight and filling with the Holy Spirit are linked, and Saul regained his sight before he was baptized.

So no.

You cannot give a scripture reference and hope not to have anyone READ the reference. It doesn’t do any good to make up references...


189 posted on 07/05/2012 8:24:44 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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To: Mr Rogers

let’s see:

Acts 2:38 Peter says to be baptized and you will receive the Holy Spirit - a future event.

Acts 8: the eunuch was not baptized until done so by Philip.

Acts 10: Cornelius was not baptized by the Holy Spirit, that is why Peter commanded they be baptized.

Acts 22: Acts 9 does not say Paul was baptized by the Holy Spirit when he regained his sight. Acts 22 specifically states he had his sight, but was still dead in his sins as he was told ( after receiving his sight ) to rise , be baptized and wash away his sins calling on his name.

Acts 16 - LOL, far from making Paul and Silas liars, what they said matches up perfectly with Christian teaching since if you believe in Jesus Christ, you will want to have your sins remitted, receive the Holy Spirit and be in Christ, ALL OF WHICH HAPPENS IN BAPTISM.

Acts 18, i was referring to the verse you posted. It does not say they were baptized twice, ONLY ONCE.

in fact, NO ONE IN THE NT IS SAID TO BE BAPTIZED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THEN AFTERWARDS, WATER BAPTIZED. CAN YOU FIND ANYONE, JUST ONE?


191 posted on 07/05/2012 8:49:53 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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