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To: Mr Rogers

i assumed ( i know what happens when you ASSUME ) that asking a Baptist where the Scriptures teach two baptisms, the Baptist would realize, of course, that i am referring to the “two baptism” Baptist teaching of:

1. a “spirit baptism” that actually regenerates
2. a ceremonial “water baptism” that is for obedience.

we know that John’s baptism referred to in Mark 1:8 is not any of the two baptisms Baptists teach are for Christians. everyone knows this from Acts 19:4-5.

so my question should have been where does the NT teach there are two seperate baptisms for Christians after Jesus commanded baptism in Matthew 28?


154 posted on 07/03/2012 4:36:05 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“so my question should have been where does the NT teach there are two seperate baptisms for Christians after Jesus commanded baptism in Matthew 28?”

Read Acts, asking yourself “Does the baptism of the Holy Spirit take place at the same time as water baptism?”


157 posted on 07/03/2012 6:03:12 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

BTW - according to Peter, water baptism plays a role in sanctification. It acts like the water that ‘saved’ Noah...and Noah’s LIFE wasn’t saved by the water!

Instead, the flood waters separated Noah from the evil world around him, as water baptism does today.

Peter goes on to say, “It is not the washing off of bodily dirt, but the promise made to God from a good conscience. It saves you through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,22 who has gone to heaven and is at the right side of God, ruling over all angels and heavenly authorities and powers.”

Prior to becoming a Christian, you have no good conscious. It isn’t the washing water, but the promise you make to God after regeneration, to live in submission to his will. And this is possible due to what Jesus Christ has done, and by his power and authority.

The idea that we come to life when we are baptized in water is ridiculous. Who (other than an infant) is baptized BEFORE they have the desire to do so? And in the case of infants, 2000 years of experience shows us it has no effect on their future life.

Read Acts. It is filled with examples of when the baptism of the Holy Spirit does NOT happen at water baptism. Frankly, you’d have a stronger case for the laying on of hands...


158 posted on 07/03/2012 6:23:03 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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