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To: D-fendr; Springfield Reformer
This is how proof texting can produce all manner of contradictory exegesis. And why I avoid playing Dueling Verses.

Sorry. This is being a little disingenous. You have offer no theological explanation except to ignore and blatantly contradict scripture including the Old Testament and some of the New. So, we're not really "playing Dueling Verses".

Sure God created man and God saw that it was good. So? Everything God does is good. And I believe Springfield Reformer mentioned that God created Satan. Wouldn't you agree that Satan was created "good". After all, according to scripture he was God's most perfect creature.

I look more at the results

What results? Calvin was responsible for creating over 250+ churches and his writings are still being published 500 years later.

What I believe you are really saying is that you simply will believe what you want and ignore what doesn't suit your situation.

380 posted on 06/30/2012 4:01:49 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; Springfield Reformer
What results? Calvin was responsible for creating..

No, results in dogma and doctrine.

You cite verses that prove God declares man evil. I cite verses that prove God declares man good.

Dueling verses.

We can trade proof texts forever, to no end.

So I compare results - what's your dogma and doctrine?

Mine is orthodox; yours Calvinist. I compare what these say about man and God and the relationship between God and man.

I don't care how you get there, we've seen all manner of doctrine claim scriptural proof.

And under the doctrine of sola scriptura, they all have equal authority to you. So, unless you claim to be the Sola Scriptura Magisterium, you absolutely no authority over my views of scripture. If you wish links to scriptural rebuttals, I'll try to help; but I believe a) you've likely seen them and b) you wouldn't change your view from Calvinism.

Anyway, I just illustrate and confirm your/Calvin's view, hold them up to the light as contrary to orthodox Christian faith. You can get your views from Calvin, from divination, from parsing verses, whatever you wish. However you get there, you've made a wrong turn from orthodox Christian teaching and interpretation to heretical views and interpretation.

384 posted on 06/30/2012 1:06:18 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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