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To: D-fendr
Two foundational errors here: >>>>”God is represented through our Lord Jesus.”

Good catch. This was poorly worded. God=Jesus. Now will you say that the God in the Old Testament is the same as the Lord Jesus? Will you say this same Jesus rained fire down on Sodom, smote the Eygptians with plagues, etc? I suspect not.

>>>>”And this God loves man.. We are evil.” God created evil?

Are you going to say we are not evil in direct contradiction to our Lord Jesus? I would suggest you try to reconcile what the Lord stated about us and your theology.

However you get to these conclusions, they are errors about God and about Man,

Ummmm...I would say the first is a typo. As for the second, I believe the error is in your court. Our Lord Jesus states that we are evil therefore it isn't too difficult to conclude we are evil. I'm under the conviction that our Lord was not in error when He made that statement. It's a bit persumptious for me to correct Him.

The more we recognize the wickedness of our own hearts, the greater we can see the love of God.

344 posted on 06/28/2012 3:46:29 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; D-fendr

Quick concurrence with HarleyD:

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

To sin is to be evil. God loved us while we were still evil. You don’t rescue a drowning man AFTER he pulls himself out of the water, right?

BTW, D, getting back to you on the other questions, but it takes me some time. Later ...


345 posted on 06/28/2012 3:55:59 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: HarleyD; Springfield Reformer
>>"Our Lord Jesus states that we are evil"

God also says we are created in His image, blessed and very good:

God created man in his own image… And God blessed them…And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
This is how proof texting can produce all manner of contradictory exegesis. And why I avoid playing Dueling Verses.

I look more at the results, in this case, results of doctrine of Calvin - its view of God and view of man. These are heresy to orthodox Christians.

Proof texted heresy has existed since the beginning of our faith; but it is no less heresy because it can be proof texted.

And, this again shows how sola scriptura fails in practice: Radically different doctrine can be produced by its practitioners. Each his/her own infallible authority on these contradicting doctrines - based on scripture alone - according to him/her.

349 posted on 06/28/2012 9:14:37 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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