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To: what's up
The baby would be born to Mary whatever she said/did. This was not up to her.

So Mary's choice was meaningless.

One cannot choose or un-choose God's will.

And I'm guessing that in the Calvinist way you intend this, 'one' means everyone; and everyone's choices are meaningless.

This, I believe would comport with my initial: You describe a cosmos where human life and decisions are meaningless. Rather than, your reply: "A desired goal of many christians is to exercise our will in conjunction with God's." which doesn't square with your last reply.

So, yes, I think your positions here are at odds with each other.

218 posted on 06/25/2012 12:17:59 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
So Mary's choice was meaningless.

Mary believed.

Was it a choice for her to believe or did God first do the convincing by sending her an Angel?

The sun is shining today. I believe the rain is not falling not because I chose to believe it but because the sun convinced me this was so.

225 posted on 06/25/2012 1:47:18 PM PDT by what's up
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To: D-fendr
So Mary's choice was meaningless.

Mary was not presented with a choice in whether or not Jesus would be born through her. This was up to God and through the Angel He told her what was about to take place.

226 posted on 06/25/2012 1:59:37 PM PDT by what's up
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