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To: HarleyD
One more time, very patiently:

All people are in the water drowning. They are born drowning. This is the natural habitation of all humanity since the first man and woman jumped into the water.

Not an accurate depiction of the Catholic understanding of original sin, which is a lack, absence, or deprivation; not a place, condition, or state. Starting off wrong won't get you to your destination.

But they must do their part by swimming along with God’s pull (grace plus works; synergism).

Not an accurate depiction of the Catholic understanding of works at all, which is that they are (a) motivated and prompted by and through grace (they aren't "swimming along with God's pull," but are part of "God's pull"); and (b) strengthen the life of grace within the justified man (almost a word-for-word quote from Trent).

I'm certain you would not want to engage in "strawman" or "sandbag" debate tactics by misrepresenting someone else's beliefs in order to easily refute the misrepresentation. Would you?

122 posted on 06/22/2012 5:51:45 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion
Not an accurate depiction of the Catholic understanding of original sin...I'm certain you would not want to engage in "strawman" or "sandbag" debate tactics by misrepresenting someone else's beliefs in order to easily refute the misrepresentation. Would you?

I find Catholics are fond of telling other people are wrong and misrepresent their beliefs rather than simply providing a correction of the item in question. Undoubtedly next will be directing me to some nebulous and muddled Church Catechism and saying this will explain everything.

144 posted on 06/22/2012 7:24:14 AM PDT by HarleyD
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