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To: what's up
Except that the father in your example is not all knowing and all powerful.

Of course but He still has a Father's heart; the best earthly fathers' hearts are just a shadow in comparison. The example of course it does not show all truth but as an example of the dynamic we're talking about it's fairly apt.

It's not apt at all. God is the master and creator of everything. That changes things. He made people the way they are.

Again, you can't pick and choose which things God is "responsible" for when your theology is based on God's absolute sovereignty.

have that God then withhold grace, and then say it’s not God’s responsibility.

You don't have the right definition of grace. Grace is not responsibility...it's pure gift.

I don't know what you are answering. Read it again. I'm talking about God being responsible for His decisions about whom to grant grace to.

God creates people who need grace in order to avoid damnation. God does not give them grace. This is God's plan. So how is it not God damning them? He is responsible because He is absolutely sovereign. Right?

119 posted on 06/22/2012 5:38:39 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
It's not apt at all. God is the master and creator of everything.

It's very apt in describing the aspect of the Fall I wanted to illustrate; that God the Father told man the rule he had to obey in order to not incur retribution. The example did not intend to illustrate all aspects of God's character, just the aspect of the complete justice of the follow-through to what he told Adam & Even. They blew it...not Him. Just as the son in my illustration blew it. It doesn't mean the father was unloving or a "monster". On the contrary, he had given almost complete freedom with only one rule. The one rule was intended to show that He was God, not them.

He is responsible because He is absolutely sovereign.

God's sovereignty does not negate the fact that man is responsible for things...like his own sin for example.

I reiterate a point I made earlier...when you stand before God on judgment day you will not be justified in saying "my sin is your fault".

133 posted on 06/22/2012 6:58:02 AM PDT by what's up
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