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I see that you had to call in the posse. I don't know if you've put on your moderator pants or something, but you've come into the discussion late swinging your elbows and making false accusations. Maybe you need to go sit down and cool off for a bit.

Well, since she was talking about her experiences, then you have shown that truth is a relative term for you.

No, the truth is not relative. She has made claims that are not true:

Roman Catholics don't consider Ukrainian Catholics quite good enough and the Ukrainian Catholics know it.

Roman Catholics didn’t consider them *real* Catholics.

Why not admit that you cannot possibly know what someone else has heard and seen among their own relatives and leave it at that?

Because the claims she's making based on some conversation she may or may not have had are not true.

It appears that, even with the added links about experiences of OTHER Ukrainian Catholics, like I said, some people cannot tolerate ANY negative criticism about their church

Fair criticism is tolerated. But I won't sit by letting you or anyone else make untrue claims about the Church. I'm sorry that bothers you, but that's the way it is.

As long as you keep it up, you only continue to prove it.

As long as I defend the Church against untrue claims, I only prove that I am not going to tolerate it.

The Ukrainian Greek Catholics are in full communion with the Church and the Pope. They are fully accepted. That's the truth, and if that bothers you and your posse, I can't help that.

My "posse"? LOL! I only pinged them because they had already posted comments to this thread that addressed the historic discord that DOES exist between SOME UCs and RCs. You can choose to ignore them, but they are what they are. The only reason I have entered the discussion is because Metmom is a FRiend and she has NO reason to lie about her experiences - NONE! If I kept on and kept on nagging and harassing one of your fellow FReeper Catholics for stupid reasons, I doubt very much you would go sit in the corner and cool off. And here's a newsflash for you....you aren't "defending the Church against untrue claims", you are giving an all-too-familiar knee jerk reaction to anything that can be construed as negative about your church. It couldn't be plainer. It's one thing to state a dogma of the church incorrectly but it's entirely different when someone who WAS a Catholic talks about their experiences with Catholics in their own life. I don't know what it will take for you to understand this point, but I'm done trying to help you.

>> Because the claims she's making based on some conversation she may or may not have had are not true.<<

Not true? You have the audacity to claim what metmom says about her own experience is “not true”? Where you there throughout her life to know? How about let’s just take one of her comments you claim is “not true” shall we?

Here is one of the comments you claim is “not true”.

>> Roman Catholics don't consider Ukrainian Catholics quite good enough and the Ukrainian Catholics know it.<<

Now here is a comment by the head of the Ukrainian Catholic Church.

“We were told: If you want to be a real Catholic, you have to be Latin. And they pushed us into it.”<<

Did you notice the “if you want to be a real Catholic” portion of that statement? Most with any sense at all realize that comment indicates that he knew that Roman Catholics don’t consider Ukrainian Catholics quite good enough just as metmom stated. It looks to me like history and facts would show who is correct in this matter.

Maybe you don’t like “the posse” coming in as you put it but you had better get used to it. You don’t get to spew your own version of history without others shining the light of truth in an open forum.