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To: Natural Law; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; bkaycee; Gamecock

"I didn't see the Church condemning anyone to hell."

"The Church has never claimed the ability to condemn anyone to hell,"

Understood as the power to actually send one to Hell, no, but to make that as disallowing the Church as condemning anyone to hell is not correct, whether anyone wants to see that or not.

While Rome has claimed temporal power at the will and sufferance of the priest, it cannot actually place one in Hell, but by claiming power to bind and to loose, and excluding those who deny Christ, and defining denial, and defining who may be saved, she is condemning souls to hell (and affirms at least one is in Hell). The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment and shall condemn men, and believers themselves will judge angels.

"We declare, say, define, and pronounce [ex cathedra] that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam; http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Bon08/B8unam.htm

•“There is only one true, holy, Catholic Church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded on Peter by the word of the Lord, outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church. (On the Unity of the Catholic Church) http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9singul.htm

Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors. http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19280106_mortalium-animos_en.html

492 posted on 06/10/2012 2:22:46 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212; Natural Law; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; bkaycee; Gamecock

By claiming that they have the power to bind and loose that was given them by God, they are in effect putting God subservient to their proclamations.

He is then obligated to adhere to whatever they bind or loose.

Seems that I recall seeing an RC recently post that God is obliged to obey the pope or some such nonsense because of the binding and loosing thing, but I cannot remember exactly where it was.


495 posted on 06/10/2012 2:50:57 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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