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To: markomalley
The only picture "painted" by Dr. Boys is that the pastor was not convicted of child abuse, but for preaching and teaching what the Bible says. He was sentenced for teaching something, and something that has been taught by Bible-believing people since the days of Solomon, or earlier.

The pastor was not himself convicted for abusing any child.

Furthermore, the judge has determined that this pastor cannot again assume the office of pastor of any church after is prison sentence is up. This is far, far, over-reaching.

There is always the possibility of parents, taking the teachings of Proverbs on corporeal discipline, to an un-biblical extreme. The discipline of Proverbs cannot put a child in danger of death, for starters (Proverbs 23:13).

There are thousands of Biblicist pastors and Bible teachers all over this country, yea, tens or hundreds of thousands of us worldwide who still teach child discipline literally from the Bible, and also apply it in our homes and families (the seven children in my home have all had "wooden objects" used on their posteriors and the fleshy portions on the back of their thighs, and at early ages when it is most effective in subjecting the will, spirit and mindset of the child to those of the parents).

There is always the possibility of some people who hear us teach the Scriptures not using Biblical reason and going beyond what is proper with their own children.

At this point, Dr. Boys (who is not novice at researching the topics on which he writes), and we ourselves, are looking at the fact in this case that the pastor has been convicted and sentenced for teaching the Biblical texts on the use of the rod (could be "wooden objects"), and not for abusing any child.

We surmise that if we (Dr. Boys and I) were living in the same judicial jurisdiction, we would encounter the very same treatment from the same prosecutors and judge simply for our teaching, and not for abusing any child.

This judge apparently believes that any use of the rod on a child is wrong and punishable in her court. She is one who has been trained in this way of liberal, anti-Christian, anti-Biblical, anti-Christian-heritage way of lawmaking from the judicial bench. I doubt that any Wisconsin law gives her this authority.

54 posted on 06/04/2012 8:19:41 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
The pastor was not himself convicted for abusing any child.

True.

He was convicted of conspiracy to commit child abuse:

From a related news article:

A Black Earth pastor was found guilty Wednesday of eight counts of conspiracy to commit child abuse for advocating the use of wooden rods to spank children as young as two months.

A Dane County jury took only about two hours to find Philip Caminiti, 54, pastor of the Aleitheia Bible Church, guilty of having instructed members of his flock to punish children as young as infants and toddlers by striking them on the bare buttocks with wood dowels in order to teach them to behave correctly, fitting the church's literal interpretation of the Bible

From the original news article (before the conviction):

"During interviews with detectives, Phil expressed his belief that the Bible dictates the use of a rod over a hand to punish children. He stated that children only a few months old are 'worthy' of the rod and that by 'one and a half months,' a child is old enough to be spanked," according to the sheriff's office release.

"Throughout the investigation, the church members were open with detectives about their 'Spare the rod, spoil the child' philosophy. They described using wooden dowels and wooden spoons on the bare skin of children, starting as young as 2 months old," the sheriff's office said.

You said:

There is always the possibility of some people who hear us teach the Scriptures not using Biblical reason and going beyond what is proper with their own children.

And that is the point.

I, too, believe that a little corporal punishment, applied in a dispassionate manner, at the appropriate young age, is a very effective means of helping a youngster develop self-discipline. That's why it's in the Scriptures.

But 1-1/2 months? 2 months? Are you kidding me??????

A 1-1/2 month old or 2 month old is not even old enough to crawl, much less show any kind of disobedience.

Look, the overall point is correct: the State would love nothing more than to take over the rearing of children. And the State would love nothing more than to eradicate all Christian values from childrearing. And the State would not want to see us raise disciplined children who are actually able to accomplish something. And the State would love to control what is preached inside a church. Sure, absolutely.

But Dr. Boys could have picked one heck of a better example to illustrate his overall point. This example is just plain wrong. Sorry if you can't see that.

56 posted on 06/04/2012 3:18:59 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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